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Monday, January 25, 2010
Region 1 "Dock Squawk" (Northwestern, KS) 2010
Use this article to comment on any fishing issue in Region 1 or Northwestern Kansas. Keep discussions polite and appropriate. Any inappropriate comments will be deleted.
Steve Price, Has there been any consideration to raise the size limit of walleye and start a size limit on stripers at Wilson to increase predation on white perch? I have had concerns about the justification of this on some of our other reserviors(mainly why some have the 18 inch limit), but I have had to change my thinking since the wiper/walleye size and creel limit has had an impact on the white perch population at Cheney. Cheney has an excellent population of big walleye and wipers due to the change and white perch populations are declining. I also believe a higher population of larger sexually mature walleye would help recrutement of this specie. Do you feel this could help at Wilson?? Dan
Dan: we try to consider all options – various harvest restrictions for Wilson predators have been and will continue to be considered - thus far we have not seen a need to modify most of these restrictions; however that could change any time. Everything is a trade-off, and our biologists must do their best to balance their recommendations/decisions with the interests of all of our angling constituency and the entire fish community in mind.
We have a white perch management plan in place at Wilson – it differs from the Cheney plan and other plans because the situation differs at each reservoir. We believe the biggest difference at Wilson is that of water clarity – clear water allows the Wilson predatory species to be much more efficient in controlling white perch than if the water was turbid.
Our biologist will continue to monitor the white perch situation at Wilson and will make recommendation for adjusting the Wilson white perch management plan based on the data. He has a creel survey planned for Wilson Reservoir this year, provided funding is available, and our primary purpose for this particular survey to is to gather current angling data regarding white perch.
There are a couple of posts I made last year in response to questions similar to yours – they are available on this site, a little further down the main menu page to the “2009 - Region 1 "Dock Squawk" section – these posts are dated 10/22/09, 12/11/09 and 12/17/09.
Hope this answers your questions.
Steve Price Regional Fisheries Supervisor KS. Dept. of Wildlife & Parks Box 338, 1426 Hwy 183 Alt. Hays, KS 67601 (785) 628-8614
KWPD- the lunker bunker is a good thing. Keeping the trout fed will be the work. I seen a 6 pound 1 oz. rainbow caught below city dam at burlington and you know that is a warm water river with plenty of food. We wondered where that fish came from.? I have caught them out of wyco lake going into august with at least 80 degree surface temp from 45-50 ft depths. Shad would be a good baitfish to stock for the trout, but fisherman will have a tougher time catching trout. Just my opinion. Good luck with that project.
caught a nice 7lb striper monday nite at midnite in Lucas campsite area june 28 using cut white perch,nice to go fishing catch a couple white perch cut them up and set for nite caught a 6 lb one last year great fishing between midnite and 5am.
IS NOW ILLEGAL TO HAVE A WHITE PERCH ALIVE IN YOUR POSSESSION - IF YOU CATCH IT AND WANT TO KEEP IT - IT HAS TO BE DEAD IN A COOLER OR LIVEWELL. THEY ARE NO LONGER LEGAL AS LIVE BAIT FOR STRIPERS OR OTHER FISH!!!!!
Would any fishermen who placed in the money care to share what fish catching methods/techniques they used while participating in the Melvern tournament? jigs, crankbaits, leadcore, planner boards.... come on man spill the beans. If there are any replies, thank you.
Question to Tommy Berger, I dropped a temperature probe into 31 Ft. of water at Kanopolis on Wednesday, Aug. 4. The surface temperature was approximately 83 degrees.The temperature remained basically the same to the depth of 30 ft. At 31 ft. it may have dropped to 82 degrees. If my probe works correctly, am I correct in saying that there is no thermocline or temperature stratification? If so, is there any suggested target water level for catching active fish? Thanks, TP - Lindsborg
All Ks lakes are generally void of thermocline. Occasionally if the WIND allows there will be a WEAK stratification develope, generally never in the summer. Hope this does not upset you diehard thermocliners If you want a temp change I suggest you find the springs. If you don't believe me, take a BASIC chemistry class. Knowledge is POWER!!!!
As a scuba diver, I can assure you that Kansas lakes do have thermoclines. At Wilson, in the summer, it is usually found at about 18 to 22 feet. Sometimes there is a 10-20 degree temp. difference by going only 5 feet deeper at the actual thermocline. As a fisherman, I have always believed that is why summer stripers usually suspend at or around that 22 foot depth they seem to like, or a little deeper. Their preference for that depth in summer was also confirmed by the radio tracking study of stripers that a Ft. Hays student conducted at Wilson some years back.
Chemistry class- Those with all the theories can rarely do anything. Here's what I had to do to find a thermocline with. I think I stumbled upon this. I used a 1997-98? Eagle fish finder. I forgot the model #. One day I fumbled with the auto/manual mode, the sensitivity, pixal(screen)size, and lord knows what else, probably all in the same day. After three years on the same lake fishing on average 5 times a week from March through Nov., I'll mention to above that my lake (here in Ks) has a thermocline during July through Sept. The lake can have depths to 60 ft. When you notice the 2 pound shad coming to the top this Sept. on your lake(s), that will be when the thermocline is falling apart I think. Thermocline wouldn't show in spring or fall on the Eagle, but would in summer. Depth would be anywhere from 17-27 ft deep. showing up as a dark stripe moving across the screen horizontally in manual mode only. Auto mode would just show fish location and bottom contour. The occasional wind you mentioned will hinder formation of thermocline rather than form it. And the lake I'm refering to has underwater and above water springs. I'm sure there are other lakes that are similiar. I try to learn something new everyday but I can tell you I learned nothing from reading your comment/post.
Believe what you want, I think the line your seeing is probably a larval hatch. Go out a drop your temp. probe down to 60' and then when you come home, keep on posting Ya know they really did put a man on the moon.
Heres another one, go to USACE KC Water management; Milford, Daily reports they list water temp for the lake and outlet(which comes from the depths) and there's no temp difference, I'm not trying to insult you but help. Radio tracking of fish doesn't show thermo's, it shows were fish are. The wind stirs up the water diffusing the water column.
Actually, fish locator showed thermocline AND fish in manual mode. Instead of fish shaped symbols with a numbered depth like what is shown in automatic mode, the fish would show up as an shaded arch. Sometimes above and sometimes below the shaded/thermocline area on the Eagle screen.(manual) Towards the end of the summer season, I could see the thermocline break down over a period of about a month or so. It would simply sink to the bottom breaking up along the way. This happens with no water being released all season long.I think someone else had the temp. prob problem at Kanopolis. Maybe you can answer his question for him.
Chemistry 101,Scuba, etc: The banter is great, and sometimes educational, but I'm merely trying to find a "catch fish" system in the dog days of summer. My comment on the water temperature being the same from the surface to the bottom at Kanopolis was a statement of surprise or whatever? We have all been swimming in ponds or lakes and experienced the great pleasure of our toes being exposed to cooler water - that's what prompted my question about there being no cooler water below the surface. Where are the catchable 84 degree half cooked fish?
Writer of 8/09/10 2:11 post missed the point of the striper radio tracking study comment. He/she is correct in that it showed preferred depths and movement of the Wilson stripers and not a thermocline. Thermocline location/depth was never a point of the study. Biologists and striper fisherman know that stripers don't tolerate warm water well and prefer cooler water temp. when available. That is why they prefer to locate or suspend (when not feeding) at or just below the thermocline--to be in the cooler water layer during heat of summer. The tracking study was neat as it showed an apparent link between where the thermocline is in Wilson in summer and the stripers depth preference. Draw your own conclusions.
Seems like to me he'd do better fishing Milford outlet and reporting back to the rest of us how things are going. If he forgets everything he's read here in the last few days he'll do well. Go gettem' son.
Interesting stuff on this post, I read up on all the posted stuff and it seems the thermocline question is well, just stuff. After looking up Thermocline defintion, it seems that the poster was right. There are no thermoclines in Kansas, the lakes aren't big or deep enough. Of course you can call me at home and I'll give you the sources of the info I looked up. Jeff 785-823-7927
Jeff- Were you by any chance using sources of Kansas lake thermocline info. from the 1970-80's?. Their technology wasn't as good as we have now. And they weren't as good a fisherman either. I'll just let the sleeping dog lie if it is current material though.
Jeff- The study/report was done on 19 Kansas lakes no bigger than 120-150 acres and no deeper than 15-16 ft. It's the only thing I could find about Ks themocline. I have creeks arms where I'm at that are connected to bigger creek arms that are deeper than those entire lakes that were tested. Appears they were sampling 20 liters of water from each lake for nitrogen, phosphorus,etc. Chances are 90% of those waters were a constant temp. throughout the entire water column. If they would stand on the bottom of the lake with a fishing pole above them, the tip of the pole would show at the surface on most of them. (that's shallow water bud) Like I said earlier- All that a thermocline does for me is to remind me of the crummy fishing I have to look forward to.
I concur, another interesting thing is the walleye guys pulling fish out of 50'-60' and claiming theres a thermo at 25' c'mon guys be real. Walleye 25'+ below a thermal. Not happening, I know it's true cause I have caught them that deep in Wil- son and Milford
what he meant is he is lowering rigs anywhere from 17 feet to 28 feet deep (for example) where the water is 50 to 60 feet deep from surface to the bottom. Thermocline should be at 25-32 ft. but only someone boating at Wilson would know for sure.
O.K.- Start at Wikipedia definition of polymitic. Next- scroll down to thermocline in the "See Also" section. Click it. Now scroll down to "Other water bodies" and read. Next- scroll down to "See also" and click Lake stratification and read the first half. I'll tell you now that we here in Ks live in a temperate zone. Now scroll down to External links and click "Density Stratification" and read everything that is shown. Weather you understand all of this or not, this is the way it is in lakes/reserviors around these parts assuming they have ample depth. Now if the guy with the temperature prob were to motor down 1/2-1 mile away from where he was, he might find different results. Point being here is just the deeper parts of lake will stratify. The shallow parts don't. Find the contact point where that comfortable/prefered temp. zone hits the bank or edge of deep flat and concentrate efforts there if fish are present. But my opinion is still it's crummy fishing in these conditions.
OK, we made one of my old graphs that had an independent temp. probe into a bottom seeking machine. And yesterday at Glen Elder we used it. At 26' both graphs showed a change. However the temp stayed the same all the way to 56'. But don't take my biased opinion, try it yourself. My friend also believed in thermoclines and now owes me $100 On another note, the crappie fishing was fair with 17 keepers. They were picky with Gulp minnows pulling all of the fish. Jeff
In fairness to your friend Jeff- I observed all this past week the south wind we had blowing. When that wind driven water hits the north bank that current has to go somewhere. It doesn't stay up -it works it's way down. That underwater current will work it's way around most of the lake bottom. The water will "restratify" when that south wind stops. That could take a few weeks. The fair way would be to observe the 26 ft. temp. change for the rest of the summer season. Towards the end of summer that temp. difference at 26-32 ft. will sink to the bottom. The only way that will happen is if the bottom temp. is cooler than the temp. at what we have now (at Elder) at 26 ft. If your friend paid you already good for you.
I believe that was the original comment on why there are no thermoclines in KS lakes. The wind breaks them up. We had hoped to see a 30deg+/- but it didn't materialize. We didn't find any 39 water or even 65degF. A thermocline or chemocline produces a temp. change that is huge not just a few degrees. In Ks we generally don't have a fall turnover either. Generally! I've seen places where the temp drops so fast that the water becomes muddy under the ice. The bottom level of water stratification is generally unchanged through-out the year when thermoclines are involved, thats what a turnover is.
To TP Lndsborg, Kanopolis does not stratify - too much wind and wave action. Very few of our lakes out in this windy country stratisfy in the summer. Therefore fish will be active at all depths - they are catching white bass from the suface to the bottom, channel catfish over the humps and around the shoreline,I'd look for walleye/saugeye on the edges of the river channel or down in the river channel, and wipers like windblown points or will soon be concentrating around the Buzzard Bay brushpiles. The better fishing is often early mornings, late evenings when the water cools down. But, our warm water game fish tend to be active even when the water temp is over 80 degrees. Check our fishing reports for up to date weekly info.
To any biologist- which species is more prone to "washout" in lakes or reservoirs? Walleye or wiper. Also, I've noticed when catching both species over the years that a 2-2 1/2# walleye has the same size mouth as a 10-12 pound wiper. If the walleye longevity is longer, it makes sense to me to stock walleye than wiper. It would be nice though if more than 50% (walleye average) would survive to greater catching lengths. I'd like to read a KDWP blog walleye plan if you guys have made one. Those are my favorite fish.
You know it's almost impossible to throw-net shad at Wilson, so how did the guy catch a state record on live shad, they were imported. Which should nullify the new record and result in a ticket. This is how the spread of ANS occurs and then we glorify it.
most of the cuts off of the main creek arms will hold thousands of shad. Being proficient with a cast net could bring 500 shad in one throw. I have seen it happen before, but I haven't seen it at Wilson. How was the previous striper record caught?
This will rarely happen in Kansas but here goes- if you cast and hook up and break the line at the knot after 2 consecutive reties, that could be a snakehead present. I'd resort to a wire leader, but I rarely carry wire while fishing in Kansas. I think the snakehead statis is that they are "wanted- dead or alive"
Walleye do real well in KS. Just when you have figured how to catch them every time out, their lifespan is just about over. Move to another lake or wait for restocking and start over again. Male/female ratio by my estimate is 12/1 but each lake grows fish differently.
Read the rule book. It is not illeagle to bring shad from a different lake or pond. As long as it is not state controlled water. But do not despose of them in the lake your fishing that is illeagle
If that "imported" shad was caught in a non-managed water, that is a legitimate legal catch for striped bass. If you don't like it, go beat the record.
Steve Price or Jewell sfl biologist- I read about Jewell's fish kill. Leavenworth county sfl has one of those stationary oxygen pumps that has not been used in 3 years or more. When it was running all it did was promote the growth of 3/4- 1# shad. You're welcome to it. I think Jewell is a gem of a lake.
Reg 2 Milford fishing reports states "Do not take bait from one body of water and use it on another" Nothing about controlled or anything that even resembles the above post.
Yeah but if your fishing a body of water that is not managed by KWPD and somehow manage to keep a shad alive and are convinced that it is not an ANS, common sense says to use it. If a responsible person fishes the right way without doing any damage, he can drive back home knowing he didn't do any damage. It's the less informed fisherman we have to look out for. School age kids, people who can't read english or can't read anything for that matter. But experienced sportsmen should follow all rules too. If Bill Dance says we have a problem, we have a problem. I think he was a fisheries biologist before he went pro.
Has anybody seen Webster stilling basin with no water and if so, can you describe what you saw? Things I would like to know would be the depth of water in the basin when trout are present, is there a dug out channel running through it or is it consistently flat throughout? Is it full of rocks and tree limbs or snag free? Is the bottom of basin flat bedrock or mud? What is the biggest trout anyone caught or seen caught from there? I couldn't tell much from pictures I saw but it looks perfect for wintertime/early spring trout from up above.
The Webster Stilling Basin is approximately 30’ deep between the walls. It slopes gradually from east to west – mostly mud/sand bottom, flat, with no channel. When it was dewatered by the US Bureau of Reclamation in the 1980’s, we observed ground water boiling up in two spots – one on each side about 2/3 of the way up the basin – this is seep water which maintains the water level in the basin – seepage changes with the level of the reservoir – when the reservoir is high, so is the stilling basin. There are some concrete baffles that run across the basin between the wing walls, a little rock and brush throughout the basin, some tumbleweeds that have blown in, but not a lot of snags. Summer survival of trout has not been documented there – the size of the fish is mostly dependent upon the size stocked, although some growth can occur during the fall, winter and spring, this is mostly a put and take fishery. We buy the trout from commercial dealers, mostly out of Colorado depending upon who gets the bid. The contract specifies 5% of each load by number must consist of fish over 14”. Our vendors have traditionally done a very good job of exceeding that spec – they have brought us some really good ones over the years – I believe we have stocked fish up to and possibly over 6 lbs.
Steve Price Regional Fisheries Supervisor KS. Dept. of Wildlife & Parks Box 338, 1426 Hwy 183 Alt. Hays, KS 67601 (785) 628-8614
What is going on at Kirwin! That lake was NEVER built with the intentions of what is happening there now. The Feds are the leasee, and it's now being run more like an Outfitter. This is not right or probably legal. Let's do away with the public and still draw a salary. How much excise tax money for fishing has been spent there, only to have the fishing LIMITED. I've read the eco-studies,duh, how do you build a PUBLIC entity without roads or parking areas. Now theres no camping at the lake, limited access and to much "stuff" do deal with. Open the lake back up to the public, we didn't build it for the birds, but they are benefactors. You are alienating the taxpayers, and fisherman and hunters are the biggest taxpayers. Get real the Condors aren't using it, and I don't think the Whoopers are either. I think we need to limit some govt. agencies authority, because its going to the birds!
The Bureau of Reclamation owns the land that comprises Kirwin Reservoir. It was the first National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) in Kansas. The refuge staff have control over all activities there. Maybe they prefer fowl over fish. It sounds like waterfowl/birds get first priority and fishing/camping afterwards. KWPD stocked over 5 million walleye and 1/4 million wiper recently. Like one 2010 presentation video mentioned- bring the family and enjoy the outing. I know 2011 is around the corner. Maybe things have changed in the last few months. Just make sure the bureau stays west of Milford, if possible, for all Kansans sake.
Steve Price- Has the Bureau of Reclamation emptied Webster stilling basin anytime since that time in the 1980's? If not, or if so, was the ground water boiling out at the same rate as before or is it more water seeping from the lake? I think in normal water level years that Glen Elder dam could hold water from Websters failed dam , if that will ever happen. I was reading about the Bureau of Reclamation failed Teton dam project in 1976 and the Webster stilling basin came to mind.
Seepage below large dams is normal, expected to occur, and is accounted for by the hydrologists. The Webster St. Basin has only been drained once since I’ve been around (1979) that I can recall. Since the basin level has remained consistent over these years in relation to reservoir level, I would guess the rate of seepage probably hasn’t changed much, but the Bureau of Reclamation hydrologists could answer that better than I can.
Does "off the river" mean where the river enters the lake? Were you using rod/reel or setlines. How many did you keep? How deep was the water where they were hitting and was it daytime or evening?
We in region 1 are very lucky to have the bio's we got. Updated reports and very consistent too, I think you guys are doing a great job. Thanks it is appreciated and saves us lots of money too.
I hear the Waconda Lake Assoc. has declined another stocking of wipers. GOOD JOB Seems like all of our lakes are turning predator first. I thought the striper program was better, they were growing bigger than Wilsons. All the lakes don't have to have wipers. Some of us believe they're just turds with fins!!
Interesting point, in the 70's and 80's Glen Elder had good LMB populations. I remember some fishing shows there and success was good. Also, Webster received some LMB last year I believe, but Glen would be an excellent choice for an additional stocking. The wiper thing is so redundant anymore, a lake or two in each region would be sufficient.
The good thing about wiper is when a novice or kid goes fishing and hooks into one. If he lands the fish, well it's good. Even if he hooks the fish and keeps him on the line for a bit before it breaks off, he or she should be hooked on fishing for sometime after that. If a young person can be out fishing whenever possible, he/she stands a good chance of staying out of trouble during their younger years. With some luck it should carry over into adulthood.
Bass numbers in these lakes fluctuates depending on structure. That's why after these lakes go back to conservation level after being low for a while the bass show back up. The structure that was formed while the lake was low provides adequate habitat for the bass to reproduce. Cedar isn't as good of a bass lake as it used to be but wait until it fills back up. Three to five years after that happens it will be good again.
Generally Glen has a tremendous shad spawn which allows for a higher numbers of predators. Wipers are a good way to keep a lake ecosystem healthy, and I'm sure if they didn't their wouldn't be many lakes with them in it.
In response to the discussion of wiper and striped bass stockings at Glen Elder, I thought I would try to clear up a few issues.
Striped bass had been stocked every 2-3 years at low densities at Glen Elder since the early 1970’s. The last stocking of 25,000 fingerlings was in 2004. A creel survey that same year indicated only 0.3% of anglers interviewed said they were targeting striped bass as their primary species. An estimated 258 stripers were harvested in 2004 from Glen Elder.
Due to the popularity and catchability of wipers in other reservoirs, I decided to begin stocking them in place of striped bass as they would serve the same purpose of helping to control the overabundant shad numbers we see at Glen Elder while also providing a better angling opportunity than striped bass. Since then I have stocked wipers twice (2006 and 2008) at a density of 5 fingerlings/acre. I originally planned to continue stocking them on an alternate year basis, but survival was high enough from the first two stockings and shad numbers seem to be relatively stable, so the last stocking was postponed.
The 2009 creel indicated that while only 1% of anglers indicated they were targeting wipers, 1,279 were harvested with another 1,808 fish released. This was with only two low density stockings. The fishing for wipers was even better in 2010 with many more fish harvested and fish up to 6 pounds starting to show up in the creel, and a higher percentage of anglers specifically targeting wipers.
There have been a few anglers requesting that stripers be stocked in the reservoir on occasion. While I don’t plan to resume the striper program on a regular basis, I have requested 5 fingerlings/acre in 2011 in lieu of another wiper stocking. Adult wiper numbers remained good during our fall 2010 netting and I will stock them again in 2012.
Also, in response to the 12/8 post “I hear the Waconda Lake Assoc. has declined another stocking of wipers”, It should be noted that while I work closely with the Waconda Lake Association on habitat projects, fishing tournaments, the annual Fish-a-Thon, and regularly attend their meetings, they do not determine what is and isn’t stocked each year. While I value their opinions and visit with them frequently, stocking is solely under the discretion of KDWP.
Hopefully, this will clear up some misconceptions and answer a few questions of the management of Glen Elder Reservoir. Feel free to contact me with any additional questions at 785-545-3345 or email at scott.waters@ksoutdoors.com.
Scott Waters District Fisheries Biologist Glen Elder Reservoir
When I go to a lake and catch my legal limit of fish and have them in my livewell and I leave the lake do I have to drain the water out of the livewell because of the fear of transporting zebra mussels accidently? If I am headed straight home to clean my legal catch of fish I can leave the lake water in my livewell to keep my fish fresh and alive until I process them at my house right? I understand that I can not take a livewell full of one lakes water and take it to another lake for fear of accidental transporting zebra mussel to another lake, but I can take lake water home in my livewell to keep my legal limit fresh for processing at home right? After I get home and process my fish I would dump the lake water out onto the ground at my house.
Thanks in advance for your reply,
A concerned Angler who does not want to get a ticket.
You could probably get away with the hauling of fish home in a full livewell but if you used water from an ANS infested lake, drive home, clean the fish and drain the livewell out in the yard and then it starts raining a lot afterwards, you'll take the chance of the livewell contents being washed into a creek close by. If you drain the boat in a different drainage system that is NOT connected to the lake where you went fishing, you take the chance of introducing the ans species if present in the livewell to new water. Example- You caught fish at Milford (zebra muscles) but you live in the Blue river drainage area (Tuttle Creek) or you caught fish at Perry and you live on the 110 mile creek drainage area (Pomona), you could possibly cause future damage if your water is contaminated. Would you want to be the 1st fisherman who could potentially ruin a fishery because you dumped "bad" water? I wouldn't, because that's alot of guilt to carry around for the rest of your life when you find out about it. If you don't care enough, well, I can't be of any help to you except for this- just use common sense when the time comes to potentially ruin a different body of water by being careless or by showing/having no regard.
I'd be lying if I said all U.S areas are the same- I know there are regions named in no particular order- great lakes region, Ozark region, eastern seaboard region, I guess, the deep south/Gulf coast, a midwest region, wherever that may be, Upper and Lower Great plains region, the latter includes Kansas, Rocky mountains region?, and the west coast. What can cause some confusion is where the Midwest/Great Plains Regions end and start. I know from experience that NE, IA, IL, IN, and OH will have about a 10 degree cooler summer temperature than that KS, MO, and KY for the most part. What can cause you to think you're changing region to region sometimes is when there is a different looking driving surface encountered. Newly paved as compared to worn or a different type or color of gravel can confuse things a little too. But don't take my word for it, you can call those places anything you want until something comes along that sounds better.
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Steve Price, Has there been any consideration to raise the size limit of walleye and start a size limit on stripers at Wilson to increase predation on white perch? I have had concerns about the justification of this on some of our other reserviors(mainly why some have the 18 inch limit), but I have had to change my thinking since the wiper/walleye size and creel limit has had an impact on the white perch population at Cheney. Cheney has an excellent population of big walleye and wipers due to the change and white perch populations are declining. I also believe a higher population of larger sexually mature walleye would help recrutement of this specie. Do you feel this could help at Wilson?? Dan
Dan: we try to consider all options – various harvest restrictions for Wilson predators have been and will continue to be considered - thus far we have not seen a need to modify most of these restrictions; however that could change any time. Everything is a trade-off, and our biologists must do their best to balance their recommendations/decisions with the interests of all of our angling constituency and the entire fish community in mind.
We have a white perch management plan in place at Wilson – it differs from the Cheney plan and other plans because the situation differs at each reservoir. We believe the biggest difference at Wilson is that of water clarity – clear water allows the Wilson predatory species to be much more efficient in controlling white perch than if the water was turbid.
Our biologist will continue to monitor the white perch situation at Wilson and will make recommendation for adjusting the Wilson white perch management plan based on the data. He has a creel survey planned for Wilson Reservoir this year, provided funding is available, and our primary purpose for this particular survey to is to gather current angling data regarding white perch.
There are a couple of posts I made last year in response to questions similar to yours – they are available on this site, a little further down the main menu page to the “2009 - Region 1 "Dock Squawk" section – these posts are dated 10/22/09, 12/11/09 and 12/17/09.
Hope this answers your questions.
Steve Price
Regional Fisheries Supervisor
KS. Dept. of Wildlife & Parks
Box 338, 1426 Hwy 183 Alt.
Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628-8614
Nice fish!
Take a look at my fun profile on this ok player-made game I found
KWPD- the lunker bunker is a good thing. Keeping the trout fed will be the work. I seen a 6 pound 1 oz. rainbow caught below city dam at burlington and you know that is a warm water river with plenty of food. We wondered where that fish came from.? I have caught them out of wyco lake going into august with at least 80 degree surface temp from 45-50 ft depths. Shad would be a good baitfish to stock for the trout, but fisherman will have a tougher time catching trout. Just my opinion. Good luck with that project.
caught a nice 7lb striper monday nite at midnite in Lucas campsite area
june 28 using cut white perch,nice to go fishing catch a couple white
perch cut them up and set for nite caught a 6 lb one last year great fishing between midnite and 5am.
IS NOW ILLEGAL TO HAVE A WHITE PERCH ALIVE IN YOUR POSSESSION - IF YOU CATCH IT AND WANT TO KEEP IT - IT HAS TO BE DEAD IN A COOLER OR LIVEWELL. THEY ARE NO LONGER LEGAL AS LIVE BAIT FOR STRIPERS OR OTHER FISH!!!!!
Fish cleaning Station at Cedar Bluff ever going to be fixed for those of us who do use it and don't abuse it?
Would any fishermen who placed in the money care to share what fish catching methods/techniques they used while participating in the Melvern tournament? jigs, crankbaits, leadcore, planner boards.... come on man spill the beans. If there are any replies, thank you.
They all must have been from out of state, Iowa or Nebraska perhaps.
Question to Tommy Berger,
I dropped a temperature probe into 31 Ft. of water at Kanopolis on Wednesday, Aug. 4. The surface temperature was approximately 83 degrees.The temperature remained basically the same to the depth of 30 ft. At 31 ft. it may have dropped to 82 degrees. If my probe works correctly, am I correct in saying that there is no thermocline or temperature stratification? If so, is there any suggested target water level for catching active fish?
Thanks,
TP - Lindsborg
All Ks lakes are generally void of
thermocline. Occasionally if the
WIND allows there will be a WEAK
stratification develope, generally
never in the summer. Hope this does
not upset you diehard thermocliners
If you want a temp change I suggest
you find the springs. If you don't
believe me, take a BASIC chemistry
class. Knowledge is POWER!!!!
As a scuba diver, I can assure you that Kansas lakes do have thermoclines. At Wilson, in the summer, it is usually found at about 18 to 22 feet. Sometimes there is a 10-20 degree temp. difference by going only 5 feet deeper at the actual thermocline. As a fisherman, I have always believed that is why summer stripers usually suspend at or around that 22 foot depth they seem to like, or a little deeper. Their preference for that depth in summer was also confirmed by the radio tracking study of stripers that a Ft. Hays student conducted at Wilson some years back.
Chemistry class- Those with all the theories can rarely do anything. Here's what I had to do to find a thermocline with. I think I stumbled upon this. I used a 1997-98? Eagle fish finder. I forgot the model #. One day I fumbled with the auto/manual mode, the sensitivity, pixal(screen)size, and lord knows what else, probably all in the same day. After three years on the same lake fishing on average 5 times a week from March through Nov., I'll mention to above that my lake (here in Ks) has a thermocline during July through Sept. The lake can have depths to 60 ft. When you notice the 2 pound shad coming to the top this Sept. on your lake(s), that will be when the thermocline is falling apart I think. Thermocline wouldn't show in spring or fall on the Eagle, but would in summer. Depth would be anywhere from 17-27 ft deep. showing up as a dark stripe moving across the screen horizontally in manual mode only. Auto mode would just show fish location and bottom contour. The occasional wind you mentioned will hinder formation of thermocline rather than form it. And the lake I'm refering to has underwater and above water springs. I'm sure there are other lakes that are similiar. I try to learn something new everyday but I can tell you I learned nothing from reading your comment/post.
all a thermocline does for me is to remind me of all the crummy fishing I have to look forward to.
Believe what you want, I think
the line your seeing is probably a
larval hatch. Go out a drop your
temp. probe down to 60' and then
when you come home, keep on posting
Ya know they really did put a man
on the moon.
Heres another one, go to USACE KC
Water management; Milford, Daily
reports they list water temp for
the lake and outlet(which comes
from the depths) and there's no
temp difference, I'm not trying to
insult you but help. Radio tracking
of fish doesn't show thermo's, it
shows were fish are. The wind stirs
up the water diffusing the water
column.
Actually, fish locator showed thermocline AND fish in manual mode. Instead of fish shaped symbols with a numbered depth like what is shown in automatic mode, the fish would show up as an shaded arch. Sometimes above and sometimes below the shaded/thermocline area on the Eagle screen.(manual) Towards the end of the summer season, I could see the thermocline break down over a period of about a month or so. It would simply sink to the bottom breaking up along the way. This happens with no water being released all season long.I think someone else had the temp. prob problem at Kanopolis. Maybe you can answer his question for him.
What do you think a thermocline is?
Goggle up a defintion and then come
on back.
Chemistry 101,Scuba, etc:
The banter is great, and sometimes educational, but I'm merely trying to find a "catch fish" system in the dog days of summer. My comment on the water temperature being the same from the surface to the bottom at Kanopolis was a statement of surprise or whatever? We have all been swimming in ponds or lakes and experienced the great pleasure of our toes being exposed to cooler water - that's what prompted my question about there being no cooler water below the surface. Where are the catchable 84 degree half cooked fish?
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jeff
Writer of 8/09/10 2:11 post missed the point of the striper radio tracking study comment. He/she is correct in that it showed preferred depths and movement of the Wilson stripers and not a thermocline. Thermocline location/depth was never a point of the study. Biologists and striper fisherman know that stripers don't tolerate warm water well and prefer cooler water temp. when available. That is why they prefer to locate or suspend (when not feeding) at or just below the thermocline--to be in the cooler water layer during heat of summer. The tracking study was neat as it showed an apparent link between where the thermocline is in Wilson in summer and the stripers depth preference. Draw your own conclusions.
Seems like to me he'd do better fishing Milford outlet and reporting back to the rest of us how things are going. If he forgets everything he's read here in the last few days he'll do well. Go gettem' son.
Interesting stuff on this post, I read up on all the posted stuff and it seems the thermocline question is well, just stuff. After
looking up Thermocline defintion, it seems that the poster was right. There are no thermoclines in Kansas, the lakes aren't big or deep enough. Of course you can call me at home and I'll give you the sources of the info I looked up. Jeff 785-823-7927
Jeff- Were you by any chance using sources of Kansas lake thermocline info. from the 1970-80's?. Their technology wasn't as good as we have now. And they weren't as good a fisherman either. I'll just let the sleeping dog lie if it is current material though.
Jeff- The study/report was done on 19 Kansas lakes no bigger than 120-150 acres and no deeper than 15-16 ft. It's the only thing I could find about Ks themocline. I have creeks arms where I'm at that are connected to bigger creek arms that are deeper than those entire lakes that were tested. Appears they were sampling 20 liters of water from each lake for nitrogen, phosphorus,etc.
Chances are 90% of those waters were a constant temp. throughout the entire water column. If they would stand on the bottom of the lake with a fishing pole above them, the tip of the pole would show at the surface on most of them. (that's shallow water bud)
Like I said earlier- All that a thermocline does for me is to remind me of the crummy fishing I have to look forward to.
I concur, another interesting thing
is the walleye guys pulling fish
out of 50'-60' and claiming theres
a thermo at 25' c'mon guys be real.
Walleye 25'+ below a thermal. Not
happening, I know it's true cause I
have caught them that deep in Wil-
son and Milford
what he meant is he is lowering rigs anywhere from 17 feet to 28 feet deep (for example) where the water is 50 to 60 feet deep from surface to the bottom. Thermocline should be at 25-32 ft. but only someone boating at Wilson would know for sure.
Been there Walleye 40'-60' deep
I believe the term is Polymictic
O.K.- Start at Wikipedia definition of polymitic.
Next- scroll down to thermocline in the "See Also" section. Click it.
Now scroll down to "Other water bodies" and read.
Next- scroll down to "See also" and click Lake stratification and read the first half. I'll tell you now that we here in Ks live in a temperate zone.
Now scroll down to External links and click "Density Stratification" and read everything that is shown. Weather you understand all of this or not, this is the way it is in lakes/reserviors around these parts assuming they have ample depth. Now if the guy with the temperature prob were to motor down 1/2-1 mile away from where he was, he might find different results. Point being here is just the deeper parts of lake will stratify. The shallow parts don't. Find the contact point where that comfortable/prefered temp. zone hits the bank or edge of deep flat and concentrate efforts there if fish are present. But my opinion is still it's crummy fishing in these conditions.
OK, we made one of my old graphs that had an independent temp. probe into a bottom seeking machine. And yesterday at Glen Elder we used it. At 26' both graphs showed a change. However the temp stayed the same all the way to 56'. But don't take my biased opinion, try it yourself. My friend also believed in thermoclines and now owes me $100
On another note, the crappie fishing was fair with 17 keepers. They were picky with Gulp minnows pulling all of the fish. Jeff
how much temperature difference was at the 26 ft. level? This type of info. will make us all better fishermen.
2deg. between 26'-56';85-83 Jeff
In fairness to your friend Jeff- I observed all this past week the south wind we had blowing. When that wind driven water hits the north bank that current has to go somewhere. It doesn't stay up -it works it's way down. That underwater current will work it's way around most of the lake bottom. The water will "restratify" when that south wind stops. That could take a few weeks. The fair way would be to observe the 26 ft. temp. change for the rest of the summer season. Towards the end of summer that temp. difference at 26-32 ft. will sink to the bottom. The only way that will happen is if the bottom temp. is cooler than the temp. at what we have now (at Elder) at 26 ft. If your friend paid you already good for you.
I believe that was the original comment on why there are no thermoclines in KS lakes. The wind breaks them up. We had hoped to see a 30deg+/- but it didn't materialize. We didn't find any 39 water or even 65degF. A thermocline or chemocline produces a temp. change that is huge not just a few degrees. In Ks we generally don't have a fall turnover either. Generally! I've seen places where the temp drops so fast that the water becomes muddy under the ice. The bottom level of water stratification is generally unchanged through-out the year when thermoclines are involved, thats what a turnover is.
To TP Lndsborg,
Kanopolis does not stratify - too much wind and wave action. Very few of our lakes out in this windy country stratisfy in the summer. Therefore fish will be active at all depths - they are catching white bass from the suface to the bottom, channel catfish over the humps and around the shoreline,I'd look for walleye/saugeye on the edges of the river channel or down in the river channel, and wipers like windblown points or will soon be concentrating around the Buzzard Bay brushpiles. The better fishing is often early mornings, late evenings when the water cools down. But, our warm water game fish tend to be active even when the water temp is over 80 degrees. Check our fishing reports for up to date weekly info.
To any biologist- which species is more prone to "washout" in lakes or reservoirs? Walleye or wiper.
Also, I've noticed when catching both species over the years that a 2-2 1/2# walleye has the same size mouth as a 10-12 pound wiper. If the walleye longevity is longer, it makes sense to me to stock walleye than wiper. It would be nice though if more than 50% (walleye average) would survive to greater catching lengths. I'd like to read a KDWP blog walleye plan if you guys have made one. Those are my favorite fish.
Also, can redear sunfish eat zebra muscles and not crossbreed with white perch?
You know it's almost impossible to throw-net shad at Wilson, so how did the guy catch a state record on live shad, they were imported. Which should nullify the new record and result in a ticket. This is how the spread of ANS occurs and then we glorify it.
most of the cuts off of the main creek arms will hold thousands of shad. Being proficient with a cast net could bring 500 shad in one throw. I have seen it happen before, but I haven't seen it at Wilson. How was the previous striper record caught?
You can throw for days at Wilson to get enough bait. This is probably the best year to try though. Where did the shad come from?
Is the state going to start stocking snakeheads? They might do better than the walleye.
They are probably here already in my part of the state. (n.e. ks)
This will rarely happen in Kansas but here goes- if you cast and hook up and break the line at the knot after 2 consecutive reties, that could be a snakehead present. I'd resort to a wire leader, but I rarely carry wire while fishing in Kansas.
I think the snakehead statis is that they are "wanted- dead or alive"
Walleye do real well in KS. Just when you have figured how to catch them every time out, their lifespan is just about over. Move to another lake or wait for restocking and start over again. Male/female ratio by my estimate is 12/1 but each lake grows fish differently.
Read the rule book. It is not illeagle to bring shad from a different lake or pond. As long as it is not state controlled water. But do not despose of them in the lake your fishing that is illeagle
That will kill the live bait guys at Wilson, the new state record Striper will last forever. But that guy also "imported" his shad, so go figure.
If that "imported" shad was caught in a non-managed water, that is a legitimate legal catch for striped bass. If you don't like it, go beat the record.
Steve Price or Jewell sfl biologist- I read about Jewell's fish kill. Leavenworth county sfl has one of those stationary oxygen pumps that has not been used in 3 years or more. When it was running all it did was promote the growth of 3/4- 1# shad. You're welcome to it. I think Jewell is a gem of a lake.
Reg 2 Milford fishing reports states "Do not take bait from one body of water and use it on another" Nothing about controlled or anything that even resembles the above post.
Yeah but if your fishing a body of water that is not managed by KWPD and somehow manage to keep a shad alive and are convinced that it is not an ANS, common sense says to use it. If a responsible person fishes the right way without doing any damage, he can drive back home knowing he didn't do any damage. It's the less informed fisherman we have to look out for. School age kids, people who can't read english or can't read anything for that matter. But experienced sportsmen should follow all rules too. If Bill Dance says we have a problem, we have a problem. I think he was a fisheries biologist before he went pro.
Common sense says "sign here" cause your getting a ticket. You can't even take a fish from an outlet and release it back into the lake.
Ah Bill Dance you so funny ha ha you so funny ha ha
as long as you know that, we will be fine.
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Has anybody seen Webster stilling basin with no water and if so, can you describe what you saw? Things I would like to know would be the depth of water in the basin when trout are present, is there a dug out channel running through it or is it consistently flat throughout? Is it full of rocks and tree limbs or snag free? Is the bottom of basin flat bedrock or mud? What is the biggest trout anyone caught or seen caught from there? I couldn't tell much from pictures I saw but it looks perfect for wintertime/early spring trout from up above.
The Webster Stilling Basin is approximately 30’ deep between the walls. It slopes gradually from east to west – mostly mud/sand bottom, flat, with no channel. When it was dewatered by the US Bureau of Reclamation in the 1980’s, we observed ground water boiling up in two spots – one on each side about 2/3 of the way up the basin – this is seep water which maintains the water level in the basin – seepage changes with the level of the reservoir – when the reservoir is high, so is the stilling basin. There are some concrete baffles that run across the basin between the wing walls, a little rock and brush throughout the basin, some tumbleweeds that have blown in, but not a lot of snags. Summer survival of trout has not been documented there – the size of the fish is mostly dependent upon the size stocked, although some growth can occur during the fall, winter and spring, this is mostly a put and take fishery. We buy the trout from commercial dealers, mostly out of Colorado depending upon who gets the bid. The contract specifies 5% of each load by number must consist of fish over 14”. Our vendors have traditionally done a very good job of exceeding that spec – they have brought us some really good ones over the years – I believe we have stocked fish up to and possibly over 6 lbs.
Steve Price
Regional Fisheries Supervisor
KS. Dept. of Wildlife & Parks
Box 338, 1426 Hwy 183 Alt.
Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628-8614
What is going on at Kirwin! That lake was NEVER built with the intentions of what is happening there now. The Feds are the leasee, and it's now being run more like an Outfitter. This is not right or probably legal. Let's do away with the public and still draw a salary. How much excise tax money for fishing has been spent there, only to have the fishing LIMITED. I've read the eco-studies,duh, how do you build a PUBLIC entity without roads or parking areas. Now theres no camping at the lake, limited access and to much "stuff" do deal with. Open the lake back up to the public, we didn't build it for the birds, but they are benefactors. You are alienating the taxpayers, and fisherman and hunters are the biggest taxpayers. Get real the Condors aren't using it, and I don't think the Whoopers are either. I think we need to limit some govt. agencies authority, because its going to the birds!
The Bureau of Reclamation owns the land that comprises Kirwin Reservoir. It was the first National Wildlife Refuge (NWR) in Kansas. The refuge staff have control over all activities there. Maybe they prefer fowl over fish. It sounds like waterfowl/birds get first priority and fishing/camping afterwards. KWPD stocked over 5 million walleye and 1/4 million wiper recently. Like one 2010 presentation video mentioned- bring the family and enjoy the outing. I know 2011 is around the corner. Maybe things have changed in the last few months. Just make sure the bureau stays west of Milford, if possible, for all Kansans sake.
is ther wiper bass in lakewood lake in Salina.
Steve Price- Has the Bureau of Reclamation emptied Webster stilling basin anytime since that time in the 1980's? If not, or if so, was the ground water boiling out at the same rate as before or is it more water seeping from the lake? I think in normal water level years that Glen Elder dam could hold water from Websters failed dam , if that will ever happen. I was reading about the Bureau of Reclamation failed Teton dam project in 1976 and the Webster stilling basin came to mind.
Seepage below large dams is normal, expected to occur, and is accounted for by the hydrologists. The Webster St. Basin has only been drained once since I’ve been around (1979) that I can recall. Since the basin level has remained consistent over these years in relation to reservoir level, I would guess the rate of seepage probably hasn’t changed much, but the Bureau of Reclamation hydrologists could answer that better than I can.
Fishing at Kanopolis has been good catching some nice 5 to 10 lb cats off the river and a 25 lb flat really liking minnows and shad.
Does "off the river" mean where the river enters the lake? Were you using rod/reel or setlines. How many did you keep? How deep was the water where they were hitting and was it daytime or evening?
Are there any plans for repair of the Buzzard Bay boat ramp. The hole is coming into play again. I saw the repairs to the parking area. Thanks
Are there any bass under those lilly pads?
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I hear the Waconda Lake Assoc. has declined another stocking of wipers. GOOD JOB Seems like all of our lakes are turning predator first. I thought the striper program was better, they were growing bigger than Wilsons. All the lakes don't have to have wipers. Some of us believe they're just turds with fins!!
That will leave more room for the black bass species to thrive. Then it's bass tournaments when the time is right.
Interesting point, in the 70's and 80's Glen Elder had good LMB populations. I remember some fishing shows there and success was good. Also, Webster received some LMB last year I believe, but Glen would be an excellent choice for an additional stocking. The wiper thing is so redundant anymore, a lake or two in each region would be sufficient.
The good thing about wiper is when a novice or kid goes fishing and hooks into one. If he lands the fish, well it's good. Even if he hooks the fish and keeps him on the line for a bit before it breaks off, he or she should be hooked on fishing for sometime after that. If a young person can be out fishing whenever possible, he/she stands a good chance of staying out of trouble during their younger years. With some luck it should carry over into adulthood.
Yeah, but you can get the same results with a school of carp.
Bass numbers in these lakes fluctuates depending on structure. That's why after these lakes go back to conservation level after being low for a while the bass show back up. The structure that was formed while the lake was low provides adequate habitat for the bass to reproduce. Cedar isn't as good of a bass lake as it used to be but wait until it fills back up. Three to five years after that happens it will be good again.
Generally Glen has a tremendous shad spawn which allows for a higher numbers of predators. Wipers are a good way to keep a lake ecosystem healthy, and I'm sure if they didn't their wouldn't be many lakes with them in it.
What is the reason(s) they don't want wiper stocked at Elder?
In response to the discussion of wiper and striped bass stockings at Glen Elder, I thought I would try to clear up a few issues.
Striped bass had been stocked every 2-3 years at low densities at Glen Elder since the early 1970’s. The last stocking of 25,000 fingerlings was in 2004. A creel survey that same year indicated only 0.3% of anglers interviewed said they were targeting striped bass as their primary species. An estimated 258 stripers were harvested in 2004 from Glen Elder.
Due to the popularity and catchability of wipers in other reservoirs, I decided to begin stocking them in place of striped bass as they would serve the same purpose of helping to control the overabundant shad numbers we see at Glen Elder while also providing a better angling opportunity than striped bass. Since then I have stocked wipers twice (2006 and 2008) at a density of 5 fingerlings/acre. I originally planned to continue stocking them on an alternate year basis, but survival was high enough from the first two stockings and shad numbers seem to be relatively stable, so the last stocking was postponed.
The 2009 creel indicated that while only 1% of anglers indicated they were targeting wipers, 1,279 were harvested with another 1,808 fish released. This was with only two low density stockings. The fishing for wipers was even better in 2010 with many more fish harvested and fish up to 6 pounds starting to show up in the creel, and a higher percentage of anglers specifically targeting wipers.
There have been a few anglers requesting that stripers be stocked in the reservoir on occasion. While I don’t plan to resume the striper program on a regular basis, I have requested 5 fingerlings/acre in 2011 in lieu of another wiper stocking. Adult wiper numbers remained good during our fall 2010 netting and I will stock them again in 2012.
Also, in response to the 12/8 post “I hear the Waconda Lake Assoc. has declined another stocking of wipers”, It should be noted that while I work closely with the Waconda Lake Association on habitat projects, fishing tournaments, the annual Fish-a-Thon, and regularly attend their meetings, they do not determine what is and isn’t stocked each year. While I value their opinions and visit with them frequently, stocking is solely under the discretion of KDWP.
Hopefully, this will clear up some misconceptions and answer a few questions of the management of Glen Elder Reservoir. Feel free to contact me with any additional questions at 785-545-3345 or email at scott.waters@ksoutdoors.com.
Scott Waters
District Fisheries Biologist
Glen Elder Reservoir
Ok i have a question for the game warden,
Here is my question.
When I go to a lake and catch my legal limit of fish and have them in my livewell and I leave the lake do I have to drain the water out of the livewell because of the fear of transporting zebra mussels accidently? If I am headed straight home to clean my legal catch of fish I can leave the lake water in my livewell to keep my fish fresh and alive until I process them at my house right? I understand that I can not take a livewell full of one lakes water and take it to another lake for fear of accidental transporting zebra mussel to another lake, but I can take lake water home in my livewell to keep my legal limit fresh for processing at home right? After I get home and process my fish I would dump the lake water out onto the ground at my house.
Thanks in advance for your reply,
A concerned Angler who does not want to get a ticket.
You could probably get away with the hauling of fish home in a full livewell but if you used water from an ANS infested lake, drive home, clean the fish and drain the livewell out in the yard and then it starts raining a lot afterwards, you'll take the chance of the livewell contents being washed into a creek close by. If you drain the boat in a different drainage system that is NOT connected to the lake where you went fishing, you take the chance of introducing the ans species if present in the livewell to new water. Example- You caught fish at Milford (zebra muscles) but you live in the Blue river drainage area (Tuttle Creek) or you caught fish at Perry and you live on the 110 mile creek drainage area (Pomona), you could possibly cause future damage if your water is contaminated. Would you want to be the 1st fisherman who could potentially ruin a fishery because you dumped "bad" water? I wouldn't, because that's alot of guilt to carry around for the rest of your life when you find out about it. If you don't care enough, well, I can't be of any help to you except for this- just use common sense when the time comes to potentially ruin a different body of water by being careless or by showing/having no regard.
Take a cooler and put them on ice. They will bleed outand taste better especially if the water is warm or it is warm outside.
So.. if I understand in US fishing areas are divided on regions?
I'd be lying if I said all U.S areas are the same- I know there are regions named in no particular order- great lakes region, Ozark region, eastern seaboard region, I guess, the deep south/Gulf coast, a midwest region, wherever that may be, Upper and Lower Great plains region, the latter includes Kansas, Rocky mountains region?, and the west coast. What can cause some confusion is where the Midwest/Great Plains Regions end and start. I know from experience that NE, IA, IL, IN, and OH will have about a 10 degree cooler summer temperature than that KS, MO, and KY for the most part. What can cause you to think you're changing region to region sometimes is when there is a different looking driving surface encountered. Newly paved as compared to worn or a different type or color of gravel can confuse things a little too. But don't take my word for it, you can call those places anything you want until something comes along that sounds better.
Which species of fish do you prefer to catch Mr. Carbon Copy Pro?
I was wondering if the seep stream at Kanopolis would support yellow perch?
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