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Tuesday, March 22, 2011
Region 1 "Dock Squawk" (Northwestern, KS) 2011
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When will Kanopolis Public land office be open? Theres no place to buy a permit there at the lake.
was wondering whats biting at kanopolis going up there this weekend any info would be great, i dont have a trout stamp so not really interested in them. thanks for any info
I have a question for some of the locals that fish Wilson. I'm from Wichita, and I took a trip up there Friday on the hunt for my first ever Smallmouth. Well I struck out on Smallies. But I did manage to pick up my first 2 Walleye ever. And a Personal Best Largemouth to boot.
I was fishing from a kayak, and I put in around the south ramp next to the dam. And fished down the east shore hitting coves and points. And let me say this. That lake is gorgeous!
But on to the question. Where would I have the best chances of finding the Smallmouths?
I'm going to be planning another trip in the near future and want to know where the best place to hit would be.
That boatramp cove is Spillway Cove, and it's caulked full of smallies. I really don't know of any area with rocks at Wilson that doesn't have smallies. State Park cove ramp area, Marshall Cove, Minooka Point, Hell Creek, Otoe, Marina Cove, Lucas Point cove that should occupy a week or two from a kayak. Remember now that they are on the banks for the spawn.
Thank you for the insight. I worked from "Spillway Cove" up to a cove that has a huge fallen tree on it's point. Prolly 4 or 5 coves up. The water was only 46-47* when I went so they might not be too active yet.
I was chucking a white grub on a jig, Pumpkin Tube, and Craw Rattlin' Rapala.
I did speak with an angler last week that indicated he was catching some sagueye up to 19" with pretty decent numbers overall.
There are also bass being caught now in good numbers with most between 10 and 15 inches.
The channel catfish bite is going as well with dead shad and shad sides the best baits at this time, but nightcrawlers, shrimp, and chicken livers are also working.
Of course, the bluegill and redear sunfish can almost always be caught around the lake using small jigs, spinners, flies, or worms.
The smallies like a little flash sometimes. You might try a small spoon like a little cleo, or put a beetle spin on your grub. They also like low light, mornings and evenings are best. They like those rocky shorelines, you were in a good area, sounds like a lttle flash might do it for you.
Thanks Wayne. I hope I can get out this week sometime to get my first Bronzeback. I wanted to go this weekend, but I figured that since I went Greenie fishing in the middle of the week I should spend the time with the family. I think a cold front is gonna be moving in this week. I hope that they don't get tight lipped too much before I can get out.
Well fellas, Whats the word on the fishin, I'm hoping to hit Solomon river sometime and land me a 50lb Flat or several 5lb Channels would do. How's the fishin?
If you have not heard about the proposed laws on baitfish you need to read this article. http://www.kansas.com/2011/04/24/1820577/commission-hears-criticism-of.html
With the fishing "season" upon us now there are some things this year that need to be worked on by boat anglers. ETHICS. While fishing this weekend the walleye anglers were out in full force, many were 'drifting' with the wind. The problem, I was stationary using my trolling motor, and the drifters would just blow into me, some from up to a 1/2 mile away. Get out of our way mentality was the norm for these BOZO'S. Well, I'm sorry, but your sadly mistaken, read your regs, and use some common sense. Your impeding upon me and your the one whose liable for any 'damages'. Courtesy and ethics have been very short this year so far. Another problem, WAKES, these are your liability also. Any damage caused by YOUR wake is YOUR responsibility.So pay attention clowns, share the water and tensions will resolve themselves. The water is for us all, not just you and your boat.
you are correct about that I have never seen such a group of inconsiderate fisherman. I have done alot of fishing in oklahoma and people there are nothing like pricks here. the people who usually do this are the ones that are catching nothing at all...
I've been fishing Kanopolis and they are just as bad if not worse there. They short park in the lot, last weekend they would pull out and stop at the top of the lanes leaving the next guy a complete jack-knife and still have to push the tongue with the tires bunny hopping just to make the turn. Boating ethics, what are those, they would get up on plane in the pack or throw their anchor in the middle of the drift. If they see you catch a fish it's all over. It's BUMPER-BOATS in and out of the water. When did Kansans become such selfish pigs. I'm truly amazed and embarassed.
At Antelope lake we have boaters constantly running through our lines. They have actually tried to tell us the law says we have to move for them!! When they find out we can cast way past them and we use big hooks and bigger weights they usually move. Last year at Webster had two gents tell us"We're from Pattermaster and you have to move". We didn't budge. The worst now is at Sebelious and Waconda. The orientals will crowd right into to you if they see you catch a fish. And they keep everything they catch! Where is KDWP while this is going on? Our rescources can't take this kind of pressure! These people keep crappies 5 inches long for christs sake!! But nothing happens to them. Yet we get grilled anhd basically are treated guilty until we prove we haven't broken any rules. ANd that's just wrong...
Kansas (KSA)32-1119/KSA 32-1125/KAR115-8-7 has a listing saying the boater is in violation by "causing damage or unnecessary inconvenience from the wake of your vessel". Appears he could be cited for interrupting your fishing from the bank but from my experiences from bank fishing and having boats come plowing through, you should be catching before, during or just after they pass without them hooking up with any fish, especially with an over-sized wake heading towards you. good luck. As for the oriental people who fish in Kansas- I've seen them pick up hours old dead fish and take them. Life is tough for some apparently.
What would you do, and what's the law? This past weekend we were fishing a point at Wilson sitting in 8' and pitching jigs to the bank, which was about 60' away. Then these jerks in a maroon Triton walleye boat trolled right through our lines. My ?? is, a) Do I jack them in the head with a 1oz. slab spoon b)Cast across their lines and give a big yank c)Ram their boat d)Write down their hull ID# and turn them in e)All of the above This isn't my 1st encounter with this a-hole, and he's the first one to tell you that you don't own the lake. He obviously doesn't know how to read and the sign language isn't working either. I would like some other options/opinions please.
Figure out his trolling pattern (i.e- lures, how far back, depth etc.) and build or rig an underwater obstruction/trap that will cause him to lose their tackle. Mark it on the bank so retrieval of lost tackle is easier to recover for you after he gives up. Me personally, buy my son and youngest brother (26 and 29 years of age) some beer and ask them to thump the inconsiderate boat driver a few times until the message is understood.
Antelope Lake: If your fishing from the courtesy dock or boat ramp, then you do need to let them through. But, if your fishing from the shore away from the boat loading areas, then they are the problem. KS law says it's illegal to fish boat ramp area's, so make sure your right.
As far from the ramp and dock as we can get. Heck, we were on the dam!! At Waconda Saturday same thing, ran right through our lines. What is it with boaters that they become complete jerks??
Waconda, I like that. Kinda like code, but the truth be known, they had to. You couldn't see the water through all the boats. It's a fiasco, pure fishing adultry. Almost need an occupancy on the lake. My thoughts, bust 'em in the head with a sinker. I ask them to step up on the bank so we can discuss it. Courtesy and ethics are words from the 50's. Now it's more like assault and battery. I'm truly sorry for your experience, it's embarassing to be a boater this year.
I have considered saying this for some time. People in extreme western Kansas have few lakes to fish and go up to Enders and Swanson to fish. Some people in Nebraska think we are taking their fish too much. People in north central Kansas on the other hand see lots of Nebraskans coming down to Lowell, Glen Elder, etc. There are attitudes across both sides of the state lines. Maybe our limits on some fish are too liberal in Kansas and that draws people down here. Most Kansans are good people like most Nebraskans. We need to respect each other whether they are from our state or not. This Nebraska/Kansas line is not the Mason-Dixon Line of the Civil War. We are bretheren. Happy fishing this Memorial Weekend!
One wonders how much out of state(Nebraska)cash comes to Kansas from purchasing fishing and camping permits, etc. to fish Glen Elder because of our liberal limits on fish?
It seems that year classes of fish just get mostly wiped out in no time in some of these reservoirs in this area, and I don't think its mainly from spillway releases, right?
I went through region 1 fish report for the big lakes. Seems like it's decent action for some. Success comes from trying and going fishing once a week will teach very little about what's going on at the lakes around you. Go more often and start a log about your fishing failures/successes. It's easier than trying to remember everything that was good or bad while fishing over the years. Missing good fishing by a week is what happens if you're not in tune with what's been going on. Fishing will be funner if you can stay a step or two ahead of the rest.
Many years ago I lived by Wichita and was a young man learning how to fish. An elderly man in the fishing club said the best indicator a lot of them had for successful fishing was, "If your can go fishing during the spring on that third day of warm weather, the fishing usually gets hot!" I have always remembered that and tried not to "jump the gun". You can't always pick the day to fish and I know this is just a generalization. Sometimes fishnig is still very good in other weather conditions.
Your 3 day rule works, 4 is better. Sometimes it's all a guy's got, time of year, pressure, moon phase, PRESENTATION, all effect a day's fishing. Keep hammering away or find someone with more experience. There's a solid, good 'ole phrase " guide fee's or gas money" lot's of truth there.
Knowing that the boat ramps at Glen Elder are so crowded can be frustrating. At times we take float tubes instead of a boats, and it really works. You don't have to wait on somebody else, just drive up to the cove or spot. There is very precise control over your lure/jig presentation. Way more than a frontal trolling motor. Sometimes I use my boat and sometimes my fishcat float tube. A word of caution though, don't go out very far...stay close to shore because of boat traffic. I'm surprised more don't do this. People form so many opinions without actually trying it. I know it is not for every situation. Also you aren't trailering a boat down the highway. If it is too windy just drive to the other side of a lake. You can load up several float tubes in a vehicle then inflate/deflate them. Some people wear orange or red hats. Some buy orange float tubes.
Yes, a buddy and I were at Glen last year. He had an inflatable pontoon and I had a float tube. The people up on the northeast corner by the dam watched us catch maybe seventy fish, but they couldn't quite get out that far. I had one rod with a jig set to just bounce off the bottom while I cast with the other rod. Suddenly the water exploded maybe twenty feet behind me. Wipers were busting shad. Some were dazed. I went through this fierce action and it was all around me within feet. One fish I could not stop. I only had six pound line. This was pretty hard to beat for an outdoor experience. You might need a protective jock cup to comfort you in case your in a area that's kind of swampy with snapping turtles!
To the comment regarding Nebraska fisherman. Nebraskans come to Kansas to fish because Nebraska fishing is so poor. It has nothing to do with the limits. Nebraska Lakes are poorly maintained, are dirty and best yet Game and Parks wants to get completely out of enforcement. I'll drive any day 3 plus hours to Kansas and catch fish. Most of the people I know here never would think about getting a Nebraska license. You practicaly can't catch a fish here in our lakes other than a catfish without using hand grenades. It's like moving from the poor house to the penthouse. We'll catch your fish and keep your water. Heck of a deal.
Sounds like Nebraskans need to get some change going. It would probably be a great election topic, but you can't vote when your fishing in Kansas. I've heard this sad song for years, if you all were as pushy with your legislators as you are with your boats the problem would be solved in days. NO cheese for your wine. Do something about it!!!!
I really have no issues with Nebraskans coming to Kansas to fish as long as they obey the regulations and laws, and I reckon most do. I pulled into a convenience store years ago and asked about the fishing. The first thing the owner asked was where I was from. I told him western Kansas. He then gave me some information plus added that these Nebraskans keep everything. Funny thing was he had no problem selling them gasoline, etc. I'm surprised that Harlan, Medicine Creek, and Red Willow aren't where a lot of these people go. Have you looked at Steve Lytle's website. Wow! We've watched him fish and it's not difficult to figure out how he fishes. He even posts how he fishes.
Has anybody heard of the Canton Lake, Oklahoma walleye rodeo in mid May every year? This is an awesome walleye lake south of Greensburg, Kansas in northern Oklahoma. It is an 8,000 acre lake. The results of the tournament were walleyes to eight pounds with the winner catching 62.40 pounds of walleye. They list some six to eight pound walleyes and showed pictures. I didn't know Oklahoma has that kind of walleye fishing.
First of all I am a Kansan, before you bash Nebraskans be sure they are really from Nebraska. It has become a general practice by many Kansas boat owners to register their boats in Nebraska to avoid paying high Kansas property taxes on their boat. It is amusing at the ramp parking to see the tow vehicles with Kansas tags and Nebraska tags on their boat trailers. But I'm sure they are at the front of the line to get any benifits that the missed tax revenue would have provided.
Kansas could lower boat property taxes in region 1 for a few years. Then raise the boat taxes back up in region 1 and during the 1st season check the difference between in vs out of staters (Nebraskan boats only). Do the same the following season and compare numbers or missing addresses. Next, raise the property tax and do some checking/investigating. It's a loophole that needs to be taken care of.
After reading elsewhere about fishing in NE and reading the above mentioned "poor" fishing in NE, I have a question and an opinion. Who would pass on the chance to fish and learn McConnaughy- 31,000 acres+ and the lake(s) that are formed on the MO river? Most fish flushed from KS reservoirs will end up there (n.e. NE). in given time. I read where some have trouble catching crappie and walleye from the Nebraska lakes. They mentioned a lot of homes being around several of the lakes. That means weeds over time. Coontail? specifically speaking- It's tough to troll, it's tough to root out fish buried in weeds all season long. A weed killer is in order. Use the one that will prevent weeds for 25 years or so. After that, the weeds will start growing back. Will NE fish and game care? Who knows. Chances are it really is a KS resident/vehicle pulling a NE registered boat IMO. Is it legal? Is there a law saying otherwise? Until there is keep pulling the boat with different tags.
KS is downstream from NE, hence the water-wars, KS doesn't flush fish into NE, no matter how much cha-ching you make. Just trying to give your analogy some merit.
Milford, Tuttle Creek, Perry, Clinton and a handful of city and state fishing lakes drain into the Kaw river. Either directly or by means of a feeder creek or river. I didn't write the fish are flushed into NE. I said they'll end up there eventually. Find your KS map. Locate Stranger Creek in LV county. That creek/small river has continuous flow from the MO river. That's one way to NE as soon as the fish swim the length of Stranger creek. The other way is obviously swimming to the MO river and continuing upstream to the first dam which is in NE. Fish naturally swim up stream. I would too just to avoid Kansas heat. This has nothing to do with cha-ching. It's simply common sense, opinion and experience.
Ok, i was reading on this page that meade hatchery is one of the best in the whole state, they send all kinds of species of fish all over the state. But what about their own lake??? on this hatchery they have channel catfish, hybrid sunfish, largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, walleye and grass carp but they dont stock lake meade but with catfish, we will like to have some action too, im serious if someone catches a largemouth bass feels like they won the kansas lottery, for real is that bad i mean check their fishing report, i think the best i have read on it is fair, we never have good on almost anything. I think that this lake deserve it, its always people trying to fish there, and i say trying because they never catch anything or something small. I was talking to one of the guys that works there and he said they havent stock with largemouth bass there for YEARS that got me desapointed bad i mean what do we need to do in order to get some fish on this lake???? If you want us to buy it, i know there is plenty of people that will, including me. I dont think that if you stock at least one LMB per acre at least twice a year (and im not asking for big fish, even just fingerling size) this lake will be great just like it used to be many years ago, plus i dont think it whould hurt your hatchery at all, so please people from the KDWP think and talk about it i mean that will bring more money to this park wich is really pretty, all we need and ask for is just FISH. What the rest of the people think about what i just said???? and the arkalon park i just dont even want to think about it every year looks worst, looks more like drainage water well to make it easier for you the seward county landfill looks way better then arkalon park and im not making fun of it this is serious i think the KDWP needs to put more attention on lake meade and arkalon park too no just on the bigger lakes please people make comments about it so we can get a good solution for this big problems.
HiScott, noticed a fair amount of wipers, some bigger stripers, and some sizable walleye that were dead around the causeway area @ Glen on Sun. Aug.27th. Any reason for concern, hopefully not a major kill going on?
Anyone care to divulge even some general areas to catch some walleye on Wilson in Nov? Techniques? Planning a trip with my father the second week of Nov.
First thing to do is to make sure you have a sunny-stable weather pattern. I have not personally fished Wilson but what I would do is get enough fathead minnows for the day or resort to a bladebait or spoon technique on west, northwest or north points with some wind hitting them. Use 1/8 oz. leadheads and stay along the bottom. Before you raise the spoon/bladebait up for the next cast let it dangle under the boat for a 10-20 second count before raising. Nightcrawlers should/will work instead of minnows too. Last resort- cutbait on a slipbobber using white perch pieces over likely areas for walleye. If you arrive at daybreak you could try some east banks before the sun lightens up the area. Try the cuts off to the sides of the points before moving.
Many fall walleye at Wilson caught using spoons and jigs on the points near river channel---especially on the west end. Can also catch them trolling the river banks. They will move up shallow at times. Just watch for the 4 to boat groups and move in----seems everbody there does it--so join the crowd. Most don't mess with bait and do real well.
That's what rub rails are for! We're extra friendly out west here, c'mon out and get yourself some fine KS hospitality. No need for a guide, just find a boat that's on fish, they can't catch all and we like to share. Need a clue, go to a local sporting goods store, they're there to help.
I was reading some past info on the 2010 reports about thermoclines. It seems there was quite a bit of chatter on this very subject with one guy being chastised for his opinions. Yet, there was a Federal Fish and Wildlife study done in KS in the early 2000's which stated that the water did not stratisfy here in KS. Again, I ask the question with this in mind, "Are there thermoclines in KS".
From numerous late spring to summer scuba dives at Wilson over the years, I (and other divers) can tell you that about 18 to 22 feet down you hit a cooler water level which is always around 15 degrees F. (or so) cooler than the upper/top layer of water. The upper water is comfortable in a t-shirt, but if you plan on spending much time at the deeper levels, most will wear a wet suit. Call it a thermocline or whatever you like, but it is there. I believe it has to do with the laws of physics, etc. --that is what the dive training manuals say anyway.
Have any of you checked into the Nebraska Fish and Game Forum website? It is very impressive. They share a lot of fishing techniques, ideas, and photos with each other daily. I feel it would be worth looking at. I think that if we in Kansas had something like this it would be very fun and entertaining too. Please check it out and say what you think.
Sounds like a good idea but is the Neb site mostly Neb fisherman talking how they all fish Ks. and come across the border to take home more fish than they need?
Yes, Kansas impoundments do stratify in the summer with significant thermoclines setting up. However, thermoclines are much more common in smaller lakes & ponds when compared to large reservoirs. Yes, the laws of physics do apply. Cooler water is heavier, so as the waters warm, the cooler water settles to the bottom and may be stuck there throughout the warm season. At the lake bottom, a ground temperature of near 55 degrees become common for waters below strong stratification. These trapped cooler waters, without surface contact and limited light, become anoxic which leads to limited fish life at this time. Thermoclines are much less likely in large reservoirs. Strong winds and waves assist in breaking up thermoclines. Reservoir releases from the outlet at the bottom of the lake also pulls some of the cooler waters from the lake bottom assists in breaking up stratification. Thermoclines break up in the fall as fall weather cools the shallow surface waters temperatures.
Does the seep stream at Kanopolis stay thawed through the winter months or does it freeze over? Did the trout survive this past summers hot weather at the stream or did they die off? And which species was more tolerant to the heat- rainbow or brown? I'm assuming rainbow are there too. Thank you.
The seep stream below Kanopolis may freeze somewhat during the serious cold but the seep ground water allows for quicker thawing. For the same reasons in the summer, the seep water can allow for probable trout survival with adequate stream flows. The amount of seep water moving within and below the dam is somewhat dependant on how high the water elevation is in the lake. The past summer's lower lake levels and high summer air temperatures made for an interesting summer for the trout, but there should have been survival in the stream. The lower flows in the seep this fall also lead to a delayed trout stocking date to improve stocking and angler success. There is some feeling that the brown trout are slightly more tolerant than their rainbow cousins, which are also stocked.
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When will Kanopolis Public land office be open? Theres no place to buy a permit there at the lake.
Thanks for the help
was wondering whats biting at kanopolis going up there this weekend any info would be great, i dont have a trout stamp so not really interested in them. thanks for any info
can anyone tell me how the fish are biting at jewwell state fishing lake
I have a question for some of the locals that fish Wilson. I'm from Wichita, and I took a trip up there Friday on the hunt for my first ever Smallmouth. Well I struck out on Smallies. But I did manage to pick up my first 2 Walleye ever. And a Personal Best Largemouth to boot.
I was fishing from a kayak, and I put in around the south ramp next to the dam. And fished down the east shore hitting coves and points. And let me say this. That lake is gorgeous!
But on to the question. Where would I have the best chances of finding the Smallmouths?
I'm going to be planning another trip in the near future and want to know where the best place to hit would be.
Thanks
That boatramp cove is Spillway Cove, and it's caulked full of smallies. I really don't know of any area with rocks at Wilson that doesn't have smallies. State Park cove ramp area, Marshall Cove, Minooka Point, Hell Creek, Otoe, Marina Cove, Lucas Point cove that should occupy a week or two from a kayak. Remember now that they are on the banks for the spawn.
Thank you for the insight. I worked from "Spillway Cove" up to a cove that has a huge fallen tree on it's point. Prolly 4 or 5 coves up. The water was only 46-47* when I went so they might not be too active yet.
I was chucking a white grub on a jig, Pumpkin Tube, and Craw Rattlin' Rapala.
Any other suggestions for lure types for Wilson?
Thanks
In response to the Jewell State Lake question.
I did speak with an angler last week that indicated he was catching some sagueye up to 19" with pretty decent numbers overall.
There are also bass being caught now in good numbers with most between 10 and 15 inches.
The channel catfish bite is going as well with dead shad and shad sides the best baits at this time, but nightcrawlers, shrimp, and chicken livers are also working.
Of course, the bluegill and redear sunfish can almost always be caught around the lake using small jigs, spinners, flies, or worms.
Hey Andy,
The smallies like a little flash sometimes. You might try a small spoon like a little cleo, or put a beetle spin on your grub. They also like low light, mornings and evenings are best. They like those rocky shorelines, you were in a good area, sounds like a lttle flash might do it for you.
Anyone have a report on the crappies yet? I was planning on taking my kids out. Thanks.
Thanks Wayne. I hope I can get out this week sometime to get my first Bronzeback. I wanted to go this weekend, but I figured that since I went Greenie fishing in the middle of the week I should spend the time with the family. I think a cold front is gonna be moving in this week. I hope that they don't get tight lipped too much before I can get out.
Well fellas, Whats the word on the fishin, I'm hoping to hit Solomon river sometime and land me a 50lb Flat or several 5lb Channels would do. How's the fishin?
If you have not heard about the proposed laws on baitfish you need to read this article. http://www.kansas.com/2011/04/24/1820577/commission-hears-criticism-of.html
what do you think was jumping out of the water off Saunders Mound in the shallows today? what bait should be used etc..
yours truley
skinny bait
Spawning shad and bare hooks.
With the fishing "season" upon us now there are some things this year that need to be worked on by boat anglers. ETHICS. While fishing this weekend the walleye anglers were out in full force, many were 'drifting' with the wind. The problem, I was stationary using my trolling motor, and the drifters would just blow into me, some from up to a 1/2 mile away. Get out of our way mentality was the norm for these BOZO'S. Well, I'm sorry, but your sadly mistaken, read your regs, and use some common sense. Your impeding upon me and your the one whose liable for any 'damages'. Courtesy and ethics have been very short this year so far. Another problem, WAKES, these are your liability also. Any damage caused by YOUR wake is YOUR responsibility.So pay attention clowns, share the water and tensions will resolve themselves. The water is for us all, not just you and your boat.
Did you catch any walleye?
you are correct about that I have never seen such a group of inconsiderate fisherman. I have done alot of fishing in oklahoma and people there are nothing like pricks here. the people who usually do this are the ones that are catching nothing at all...
I've been fishing Kanopolis and they are just as bad if not worse there. They short park in the lot, last weekend they would pull out and stop at the top of the lanes leaving the next guy a complete jack-knife and still have to push the tongue with the tires bunny hopping just to make the turn. Boating ethics, what are those, they would get up on plane in the pack or throw their anchor in the middle of the drift. If they see you catch a fish it's all over. It's BUMPER-BOATS in and out of the water. When did Kansans become such selfish pigs. I'm truly amazed and embarassed.
At Antelope lake we have boaters constantly running through our lines. They have actually tried to tell us the law says we have to move for them!! When they find out we can cast way past them and we use big hooks and bigger weights they usually move. Last year at Webster had two gents tell us"We're from Pattermaster and you have to move". We didn't budge. The worst now is at Sebelious and Waconda. The orientals will crowd right into to you if they see you catch a fish. And they keep everything they catch! Where is KDWP while this is going on? Our rescources can't take this kind of pressure! These people keep crappies 5 inches long for christs sake!! But nothing happens to them. Yet we get grilled anhd basically are treated guilty until we prove we haven't broken any rules. ANd that's just wrong...
Kansas (KSA)32-1119/KSA 32-1125/KAR115-8-7 has a listing saying the boater is in violation by "causing damage or unnecessary inconvenience from the wake of your vessel". Appears he could be cited for interrupting your fishing from the bank but from my experiences from bank fishing and having boats come plowing through, you should be catching before, during or just after they pass without them hooking up with any fish, especially with an over-sized wake heading towards you. good luck.
As for the oriental people who fish in Kansas- I've seen them pick up hours old dead fish and take them. Life is tough for some apparently.
What would you do, and what's the law? This past weekend we were fishing a point at Wilson sitting in 8' and pitching jigs to the bank, which was about 60' away. Then these jerks in a maroon Triton walleye boat trolled right through our lines. My ?? is, a) Do I jack them in the head with a 1oz. slab spoon b)Cast across their lines and give a big yank c)Ram their boat d)Write down their hull ID# and turn them in e)All of the above
This isn't my 1st encounter with this a-hole, and he's the first one to tell you that you don't own the lake. He obviously doesn't know how to read and the sign language isn't working either. I would like some other options/opinions please.
Figure out his trolling pattern (i.e- lures, how far back, depth etc.) and build or rig an underwater obstruction/trap that will cause him to lose their tackle. Mark it on the bank so retrieval of lost tackle is easier to recover for you after he gives up. Me personally, buy my son and youngest brother (26 and 29 years of age) some beer and ask them to thump the inconsiderate boat driver a few times until the message is understood.
Antelope Lake: If your fishing from the courtesy dock or boat ramp, then you do need to let them through. But, if your fishing from the shore away from the boat loading areas, then they are the problem. KS law says it's illegal to fish boat ramp area's, so make sure your right.
As far from the ramp and dock as we can get. Heck, we were on the dam!! At Waconda Saturday same thing, ran right through our lines. What is it with boaters that they become complete jerks??
hello anglers...skinny bait here..really,, what was jumping out of the water at saunders mound yesterday 5/24.
Waconda, I like that. Kinda like code, but the truth be known, they had to. You couldn't see the water through all the boats. It's a fiasco, pure fishing adultry. Almost need an occupancy on the lake. My thoughts, bust 'em in the head with a sinker. I ask them to step up on the bank so we can discuss it. Courtesy and ethics are words from the 50's. Now it's more like assault and battery. I'm truly sorry for your experience, it's embarassing to be a boater this year.
I have considered saying this for some time. People in extreme western Kansas have few lakes to fish and go up to Enders and Swanson to fish. Some people in Nebraska think we are taking their fish too much. People in north central Kansas on the other hand see lots of Nebraskans coming down to Lowell, Glen Elder, etc. There are attitudes across both sides of the state lines. Maybe our limits on some fish are too liberal in Kansas and that draws people down here. Most Kansans are good people like most Nebraskans. We need to respect each other whether they are from our state or not. This Nebraska/Kansas line is not the Mason-Dixon Line of the Civil War. We are bretheren. Happy fishing this Memorial Weekend!
Well, us Kansans are back in court for the water wars, why not fish wars too.
One wonders how much out of state(Nebraska)cash comes to Kansas from purchasing fishing and camping permits, etc. to fish Glen Elder because of our liberal limits on fish?
Take $42.50 x 1 for each Nebraska angler and up to $401.50 for each camper. After you figure these you won't have to wonder any more.
It seems that year classes of fish just get mostly wiped out in no time in some of these reservoirs in this area, and I don't think its mainly from spillway releases, right?
I went through region 1 fish report for the big lakes. Seems like it's decent action for some. Success comes from trying and going fishing once a week will teach very little about what's going on at the lakes around you. Go more often and start a log about your fishing failures/successes. It's easier than trying to remember everything that was good or bad while fishing over the years. Missing good fishing by a week is what happens if you're not in tune with what's been going on. Fishing will be funner if you can stay a step or two ahead of the rest.
Many years ago I lived by Wichita and was a young man learning how to fish. An elderly man in the fishing club said the best indicator a lot of them had for successful fishing was, "If your can go fishing during the spring on that third day of warm weather, the fishing usually gets hot!" I have always remembered that and tried not to "jump the gun". You can't always pick the day to fish and I know this is just a generalization. Sometimes fishnig is still very good in other weather conditions.
Your 3 day rule works, 4 is better. Sometimes it's all a guy's got, time of year, pressure, moon phase, PRESENTATION, all effect a day's fishing. Keep hammering away or find someone with more experience. There's a solid, good 'ole phrase " guide fee's or gas money" lot's of truth there.
Knowing that the boat ramps at Glen Elder are so crowded can be frustrating. At times we take float tubes instead of a boats, and it really works. You don't have to wait on somebody else, just drive up to the cove or spot. There is very precise control over your lure/jig presentation. Way more than a frontal trolling motor. Sometimes I use my boat and sometimes my fishcat float tube. A word of caution though, don't go out very far...stay close to shore because of boat traffic. I'm surprised more don't do this. People form so many opinions without actually trying it. I know it is not for every situation. Also you aren't trailering a boat down the highway. If it is too windy just drive to the other side of a lake. You can load up several float tubes in a vehicle then inflate/deflate them. Some people wear orange or red hats. Some buy orange float tubes.
Yes, a buddy and I were at Glen last year. He had an inflatable pontoon and I had a float tube. The people up on the northeast corner by the dam watched us catch maybe seventy fish, but they couldn't quite get out that far. I had one rod with a jig set to just bounce off the bottom while I cast with the other rod. Suddenly the water exploded maybe twenty feet behind me. Wipers were busting shad. Some were dazed. I went through this fierce action and it was all around me within feet. One fish I could not stop. I only had six pound line. This was pretty hard to beat for an outdoor experience. You might need a protective jock cup to comfort you in case your in a area that's kind of swampy with snapping turtles!
To the comment regarding Nebraska fisherman. Nebraskans come to Kansas to fish because Nebraska fishing is so poor. It has nothing to do with the limits. Nebraska Lakes are poorly maintained, are dirty and best yet Game and Parks wants to get completely out of enforcement. I'll drive any day 3 plus hours to Kansas and catch fish. Most of the people I know here never would think about getting a Nebraska license. You practicaly can't catch a fish here in our lakes other than a catfish without using hand grenades. It's like moving from the poor house to the penthouse. We'll catch your fish and keep your water. Heck of a deal.
Sounds like Nebraskans need to get some change going. It would probably be a great election topic, but you can't vote when your fishing in Kansas. I've heard this sad song for years, if you all were as pushy with your legislators as you are with your boats the problem would be solved in days. NO cheese for your wine. Do something about it!!!!
I really have no issues with Nebraskans coming to Kansas to fish as long as they obey the regulations and laws, and I reckon most do. I pulled into a convenience store years ago and asked about the fishing. The first thing the owner asked was where I was from. I told him western Kansas. He then gave me some information plus added that these Nebraskans keep everything. Funny thing was he had no problem selling them gasoline, etc. I'm surprised that Harlan, Medicine Creek, and Red Willow aren't where a lot of these people go. Have you looked at Steve Lytle's website. Wow! We've watched him fish and it's not difficult to figure out how he fishes. He even posts how he fishes.
Has anybody heard of the Canton Lake, Oklahoma walleye rodeo in mid May every year? This is an awesome walleye lake south of Greensburg, Kansas in northern Oklahoma. It is an 8,000 acre lake. The results of the tournament were walleyes to eight pounds with the winner catching 62.40 pounds of walleye. They list some six to eight pound walleyes and showed pictures. I didn't know Oklahoma has that kind of walleye fishing.
Maybe the fishermen from Nebraska will go there too.
First of all I am a Kansan, before you bash Nebraskans be sure they are really from Nebraska. It has become a general practice by many Kansas boat owners to register their boats in Nebraska to avoid paying high Kansas property taxes on their boat. It is amusing at the ramp parking to see the tow vehicles with Kansas tags and Nebraska tags on their boat trailers. But I'm sure they are at the front of the line to get any benifits that the missed tax revenue would have provided.
Kansas could lower boat property taxes in region 1 for a few years. Then raise the boat taxes back up in region 1 and during the 1st season check the difference between in vs out of staters (Nebraskan boats only). Do the same the following season and compare numbers or missing addresses. Next, raise the property tax and do some checking/investigating. It's a loophole that needs to be taken care of.
Lot's of KWA boats registered in NB, being pulled by KS plates. Is this walleye conservation?
After reading elsewhere about fishing in NE and reading the above mentioned "poor" fishing in NE, I have a question and an opinion. Who would pass on the chance to fish and learn McConnaughy- 31,000 acres+ and the lake(s) that are formed on the MO river? Most fish flushed from KS reservoirs will end up there (n.e. NE). in given time. I read where some have trouble catching crappie and walleye from the Nebraska lakes. They mentioned a lot of homes being around several of the lakes. That means weeds over time. Coontail? specifically speaking- It's tough to troll, it's tough to root out fish buried in weeds all season long. A weed killer is in order. Use the one that will prevent weeds for 25 years or so. After that, the weeds will start growing back. Will NE fish and game care? Who knows. Chances are it really is a KS resident/vehicle pulling a NE registered boat IMO. Is it legal? Is there a law saying otherwise? Until there is keep pulling the boat with different tags.
KS is downstream from NE, hence the water-wars, KS doesn't flush fish into NE, no matter how much cha-ching you make. Just trying to give your analogy some merit.
Milford, Tuttle Creek, Perry, Clinton and a handful of city and state fishing lakes drain into the Kaw river. Either directly or by means of a feeder creek or river. I didn't write the fish are flushed into NE. I said they'll end up there eventually. Find your KS map. Locate Stranger Creek in LV county. That creek/small river has continuous flow from the MO river. That's one way to NE as soon as the fish swim the length of Stranger creek. The other way is obviously swimming to the MO river and continuing upstream to the first dam which is in NE. Fish naturally swim up stream. I would too just to avoid Kansas heat. This has nothing to do with cha-ching. It's simply common sense, opinion and experience.
Ok, i was reading on this page that meade hatchery is one of the best in the whole state, they send all kinds of species of fish all over the state. But what about their own lake??? on this hatchery they have channel catfish, hybrid sunfish, largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, walleye and grass carp but they dont stock lake meade but with catfish, we will like to have some action too, im serious if someone catches a largemouth bass feels like they won the kansas lottery, for real is that bad i mean check their fishing report, i think the best i have read on it is fair, we never have good on almost anything. I think that this lake deserve it, its always people trying to fish there, and i say trying because they never catch anything or something small. I was talking to one of the guys that works there and he said they havent stock with largemouth bass there for YEARS that got me desapointed bad i mean what do we need to do in order to get some fish on this lake???? If you want us to buy it, i know there is plenty of people that will, including me. I dont think that if you stock at least one LMB per acre at least twice a year (and im not asking for big fish, even just fingerling size) this lake will be great just like it used to be many years ago, plus i dont think it whould hurt your hatchery at all, so please people from the KDWP think and talk about it i mean that will bring more money to this park wich is really pretty, all we need and ask for is just FISH. What the rest of the people think about what i just said???? and the arkalon park i just dont even want to think about it every year looks worst, looks more like drainage water well to make it easier for you the seward county landfill looks way better then arkalon park and im not making fun of it this is serious i think the KDWP needs to put more attention on lake meade and arkalon park too no just on the bigger lakes please people make comments about it so we can get a good solution for this big problems.
I would like to send you some pictures of litter I took this morning at Cheney State Park. I need an e-mail address rather than this form, though.
HiScott, noticed a fair amount of wipers, some bigger stripers, and some sizable walleye that were dead around the causeway area @ Glen on Sun. Aug.27th. Any reason for concern, hopefully not a major kill going on?
Anyone care to divulge even some general areas to catch some walleye on Wilson in Nov? Techniques? Planning a trip with my father the second week of Nov.
First thing to do is to make sure you have a sunny-stable weather pattern. I have not personally fished Wilson but what I would do is get enough fathead minnows for the day or resort to a bladebait or spoon technique on west, northwest or north points with some wind hitting them. Use 1/8 oz. leadheads and stay along the bottom. Before you raise the spoon/bladebait up for the next cast let it dangle under the boat for a 10-20 second count before raising. Nightcrawlers should/will work instead of minnows too. Last resort- cutbait on a slipbobber using white perch pieces over likely areas for walleye. If you arrive at daybreak you could try some east banks before the sun lightens up the area. Try the cuts off to the sides of the points before moving.
Many fall walleye at Wilson caught using spoons and jigs on the points near river channel---especially on the west end. Can also catch them trolling the river banks. They will move up shallow at times. Just watch for the 4 to boat groups and move in----seems everbody there does it--so join the crowd. Most don't mess with bait and do real well.
Thanks for the input on Wilson guys! Not into playing bumperboats so hopefully there are more than 1 or 2 areas to catch a few. Good fishing to ya!
That's what rub rails are for! We're extra friendly out west here, c'mon out and get yourself some fine KS hospitality. No need for a guide, just find a boat that's on fish, they can't catch all and we like to share. Need a clue, go to a local sporting goods store, they're there to help.
I was reading some past info on the 2010 reports about thermoclines. It seems there was quite a bit of chatter on this very subject with one guy being chastised for his opinions. Yet, there was a Federal Fish and Wildlife study done in KS in the early 2000's which stated that the water did not stratisfy here in KS. Again, I ask the question with this in mind, "Are there thermoclines in KS".
Ask the buffalo fish. From the early part of the season to the end they seem to find the comfort areas first.
From numerous late spring to summer scuba dives at Wilson over the years, I (and other divers) can tell you that about 18 to 22 feet down you hit a cooler water level which is always around 15 degrees F. (or so) cooler than the upper/top layer of water. The upper water is comfortable in a t-shirt, but if you plan on spending much time at the deeper levels, most will wear a wet suit. Call it a thermocline or whatever you like, but it is there. I believe it has to do with the laws of physics, etc. --that is what the dive training manuals say anyway.
Have any of you checked into the Nebraska Fish and Game Forum website? It is very impressive. They share a lot of fishing techniques, ideas, and photos with each other daily. I feel it would be worth looking at. I think that if we in Kansas had something like this it would be very fun and entertaining too. Please check it out and say what you think.
Sounds like a good idea but is the Neb site mostly Neb fisherman talking how they all fish Ks. and come across the border to take home more fish than they need?
Yes, Kansas impoundments do stratify in the summer with significant thermoclines setting up. However, thermoclines are much more common in smaller lakes & ponds when compared to large reservoirs. Yes, the laws of physics do apply. Cooler water is heavier, so as the waters warm, the cooler water settles to the bottom and may be stuck there throughout the warm season. At the lake bottom, a ground temperature of near 55 degrees become common for waters below strong stratification. These trapped cooler waters, without surface contact and limited light, become anoxic which leads to limited fish life at this time. Thermoclines are much less likely in large reservoirs. Strong winds and waves assist in breaking up thermoclines. Reservoir releases from the outlet at the bottom of the lake also pulls some of the cooler waters from the lake bottom assists in breaking up stratification. Thermoclines break up in the fall as fall weather cools the shallow surface waters temperatures.
Does the seep stream at Kanopolis stay thawed through the winter months or does it freeze over? Did the trout survive this past summers hot weather at the stream or did they die off? And which species was more tolerant to the heat- rainbow or brown? I'm assuming rainbow are there too. Thank you.
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The seep stream below Kanopolis may freeze somewhat during the serious cold but the seep ground water allows for quicker thawing. For the same reasons in the summer, the seep water can allow for probable trout survival with adequate stream flows. The amount of seep water moving within and below the dam is somewhat dependant on how high the water elevation is in the lake. The past summer's lower lake levels and high summer air temperatures made for an interesting summer for the trout, but there should have been survival in the stream. The lower flows in the seep this fall also lead to a delayed trout stocking date to improve stocking and angler success. There is some feeling that the brown trout are slightly more tolerant than their rainbow cousins, which are also stocked.
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