Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Region 4 "Dock Squawk" (Southcentral, KS) 2011

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46 comments:

Anonymous said...

When are they going to put the boat docks in at Cheney?

Anonymous said...

I was at Cheney Friday and the main east boat ramp had the dock already in the water.

Andy said...

Question for Ms. Mounts or other Biologist.

I've seen KDWP Report pages for certain lakes around Region 4. And also the "Fishing Forcast" for the same region. There are some species that are not listed on the Forcast that is on the list for species in the lake. Example. Smallmouths in Marion County Lake. On the Fish Report Smallies are listed. But the fishing forcast don't have that lake listed.

Why is that? Does that mean that when the sampling was done, none of that species was sampled, but they are known to be in the lake?

Thanks.

Jeff Koch - KDWP District Fisheries Biologist said...

Andy, that is a good question and one we get a lot. You are correct that if a fish species is not listed in the fishing forecast, it was likely not sampled in the past year. Also, some species that were historically stocked or present in the lake are kept on the regulation signs just in case there are a few remaining individuals hanging on.

I hope this answers your question.

Andy said...

Mr. Koch,

Yes, it does, sir. Thank you. Keep up the good work. I have heard praise from out of state friends of mine that says how great of a resource that the KDWP has on this site. And wishes that their states Dept of Wildlife would have a program and Biologists that Kansas has.

Thank you again.

Andy said...

Boy ya'll should get up to Wilson Lake sometime soon before the water warms. I went up today for about 5 hours on my kayak and I pulled 3 fish. ALL KEEPERS UP THERE. My very first Walleye EVER!

1 male that ran 18", 1 female that ran 20". And a LMB (Personal Best) that ran 16. Bucket of a mouth, just lean body.

And at Wilson, 15" minimum, all keepers.

I can't wait for my next new lake adventure.

Anonymous said...

Anyone heard anything about the white bass running in the Ninnescah River out by Cheney Lake yet?

Andy said...

I now that the Whites are running at Marion. So I would bet that its about that time at Cheney as well.

Anonymous said...

What is the limit one can keep as far as white bass at Cheney?

Jeff Koch - KDWP District Fisheries Biologist said...

I haven't heard much at Cheney for whites just yet. I bet in a couple weeks they'll be going, especially if we get some timely inflows to the lake.

There is no length or creel limit on white bass at Cheney; however, be sure of your fish ID before harvesting what you think may be a white bass. There are lots of little wipers in Cheney. Look at the temperate bass ID poster at the KDWP web page for key ID characteristics: www.kdwp.state.ks.us/news/Fishing/Fish-ID-Gallery.

Anonymous said...

I know in the past there has, to some extent, been a lure of the season for the white bass. I know one year a red headed roadrunner with a maribu tail was tearing em' up. Anybody mind revealing if they have any distinct luck with a specific lure yet this year?

Anonymous said...

Well from previous seasons fishing early April for white bass in feeder rivers a white double-tailed jig works for bigger fish for some reason. You'll need some current though. After that, for the most consistent white bass action, an assortment of sassy shads by Mister Twister are what I prefer to use. The plastic has a better action than those of different makers that make the same style. They cost more but you'll find you'll have more fish for the stringer. Small tube jigs should be part of the lure selection too. Use 2 of those when fishing for white bass. It's called a doubles rig. Leadheads from 1/32 to 3/16 oz will be needed also. Get as many different colors as you'll think you'll need. Use 6# mono for whites. Using 4# line will lose more jigs and cause tangles. Using 8# line will hinder your fish count because fish can see it or it imparts a negative feeling on the white basses lateral line. Use 6# and buy the black/pearl, black/green and possibly buy colors for stained/muddy water. Using a red headed roadrunner would be a color to use in May/June when the water will be warmer and the fish will be hungry more often than not.

Anonymous said...

Harvey Co. East lake is 61deg. on the west side of the tube. White bass,Lg mouth & crappie being caught<<<water looks great even with the wind,,,good luck fishing

Anonymous said...

2 days at Cheney, bad weather. Walleye are biting off the dam and the flats, crappie are fair in the Marina, jig in the the rocks real close in, nothing as far as white Bass in the dam or the river. mabey still to cold as far as watertemp. Had a great time.

Andy said...

Mr Koch or Ms Mounts,

Another question about forecasts. Looking at the Density Reports for Smallmouths. Glen Elder, Wilson, Eldorado top the list for Density. While Glen Elder and Wilson have a Biologist rating of Good, Eldorado has the rating of Fair. But lower on the Density list, Melvern has less density than Eldorado, but is listed as Excellent. Along with Milford's rating of Good.

Why is this?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

It's a bunch of old school b.s... same type of deal like up at Perry lake where Chuck (KWPD) will realize he needs another 15,000,000 sauger fry stocked in addition to this years 1 million to do any good. But folks that's just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Andy,
Catching smallies doesn't get any easier than Wilson. And the ratings thing, is the biologists OPINION. Just like my opinion about Wilson, I can't get rid of those little turds, they are everywhere. I've read your posts and one area not mentioned on Wilson is Marshall Cove, which I guess is the Minooka Area. A favorite lure of the locals is a 4" brown/chart tipped Senko on a 1/16/#2 hook red head jig. We get them by the hundreds some days. Crappie jigs, walleye baits, all will work far better than any spoon right now, plus they are a whole lot cheaper. The smallies at Wilson are the most aggressive (dumbest) in the state. IMO

Anonymous said...

If you have not heard about the proposed laws on baitfish you need to read this article. http://www.kansas.com/2011/04/24/1820577/commission-hears-criticism-of.html

Anonymous said...

does anyone else think there should be one more catch and release/artificial lure only lake in the wichita metro area? one of the big ones. one of the k-dots, or cruiser, or southlakes. something with carry-in boat access. there are manny sport anglers in wichita that would love to have a good catch and release lake to fish. there will still be plenty of catfish factories in town for the meat anglers. i just think that the percentage of fisherman who catch and release is getting high enough to warrant another good catch and release place here in town.

Andy said...

I agree. Some other places that can hold the bigger fish and have a chance for them top growing.


Another Note, for the Biologists,

At Kingman, the area of water that is beyond the Wildlife Refuge buoys, is fishing allowed there?

Jeff Koch - KDWP District Fisheries Biologist said...

Andy, you may fish beyond the refuge buoys. The east half of the lake is closed to hunting, so that is what the buoys refer to, mainly reminding waterfowl hunters that the east half is refuge.

Anonymous said...

Are the feeders running at Kingman?

BASSMAN-MIKIE said...

Wow! The Asian Milfoil has taken over the North end of Kingman Lake.Does the KDWP have anything yet to combat this problem?

Jeff Koch - KDWP District Fisheries Biologist said...

There are two feeders put on and functional at Kingman, although one has recently broken free from it's anchor and is stuck at the north end of the lake. Unfortunately we won't be able to get it reset until after the holiday weekend.

Also, the dominant vegetation at Kingman that you are likely referring to is called curleyleaf pondweed. It is a non-native species that is a problem early in the season, but will die off this summer. Although the vegetation is difficult to fish around, it provides very good habitat that is important to the bass and especially the northern pike population at the lake. Be sure to clean your boat and gear of any vegetation to avoid moving unwanted vegetation to other water bodies. In the past, we have spot-treated vegetation to make fishing access easier, but this is an expensive and temporary solution.

BASSMAN-MIKIE said...

That is good news the Milfoil is not at Kingman Lake(Yet). I have seen what Milfoil can do to a Body of water.Take a look at Baffalo Park in Wichita.The lake has been allowed to drain and dry up!

daniel said...

Ok, i was reading on this page that meade hatchery is one of the best in the whole state, they send all kinds of species of fish all over the state. But what about their own lake??? on this hatchery they have channel catfish, hybrid sunfish, largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, walleye and grass carp but they dont stock lake meade but with catfish, we will like to have some action too, im serious if someone catches a largemouth bass feels like they won the kansas lottery, for real is that bad i mean check their fishing report, i think the best i have read on it is fair, we never have good on almost anything. I think that this lake deserve it, its always people trying to fish there, and i say trying because they never catch anything or something small. I was talking to one of the guys that works there and he said they havent stock with largemouth bass there for YEARS that got me desapointed bad i mean what do we need to do in order to get some fish on this lake???? If you want us to buy it, i know there is plenty of people that will, including me. I dont think that if you stock at least one LMB per acre at least twice a year (and im not asking for big fish, even just fingerling size) this lake will be great just like it used to be many years ago, plus i dont think it whould hurt your hatchery at all, so please people from the KDWP think and talk about it i mean that will bring more money to this park wich is really pretty, all we need and ask for is just FISH. What the rest of the people think about what i just said???? and the arkalon park i just dont even want to think about it every year looks worst, looks more like drainage water well to make it easier for you the seward county landfill looks way better then arkalon park and im not making fun of it this is serious i think the KDWP needs to put more attention on lake meade and arkalon park too no just on the bigger lakes please people make comments about it so we can get a good solution for this big problems.

Anonymous said...

does anyone know how the fishing for channel cat or bass at marion county lake or at mcpherson state lake is right now? plus what baits for both species at both places is best & locations...

Anonymous said...

For smaller lakes the bass will be chasing the newly hatched shad for the most part. They will be out in the middle of the lake when feeding. Other times you can find them resting (suspended) in 12-25 ft. depths off of points or if present weedbeds. During the day put it right in front of them. I've been starting to catch channel cat up to 22" on dough bait. The fish are 80% 14-16" long. Fish on the bottom at night or use a float with some kind of catfish bait just over the top of the rocks during the day. Look for the windy riffled areas to try for catfish. Some of these catfish still have eggs in them so get out and try before it warms up. I fish in n.e. KS but the only difference between here and there could be a water temperature of 5-6 degrees cooler here than there.

Jessica Mounts said...

RE: Catch and release / artificial lures only lakes in Wichita

Thanks for the input. I do have some additional management strategies in mind for some of the lakes in Wichita (which will include some surveys of licensed anglers and requests for public comment before any decisions are made), the goal being to provide a more diverse range of fishing opportunities. - Jessica

Andy said...

I was wondering the species population of the Walnut River, and it's accessability throughout it. Does it have a pretty steady flow/level throughout from ElDorado Dam --> South?

Clay said...

Andy... I have fished the Walnut for years its very low right now I fish the pools and catch all kinds of fish. I use jigs 3 in white or red watermolon early in the year then chartreuse and black in the summer Catch White Bass Wipers Crappie Bass and Walleye. If you don't have or know any property to fish on the only access is on the east end of Eldorado. I don't know how to help you further. We need rain very bad!!!! Does that help in any way?

Andy said...

It does Clay. I have a kayak I was gonna use to float down it. I was mainly looking for some smallmouth. I didn't even think of needing permission to fish it. Thanks for the heads up.

clay said...

Andy You could catch some smallies in the river who would know if you float down in a kayak...small jigs swim baits even the old classic beatle spins will work its simple fishing.

Andy said...

Is the Walnut pretty steady on the flow and depth? Or will I need to get out and drag through some 1" water and sand bars? I've only seen the river from the bridge going out Augusta so I have no idea about how it flows or what it looks like.

I'm assuming that there are some smallmouths in there since there "suppose" to be some in ElDorado, and since it flows from ElDorado then there are good chances that some came through the outlet.

I have a couple other places I need to hit up for some "Green Fish" but I will be giving that river a try.

Clay said...

It flows as fast as whatever the Corp releases from the lake. It has many shallow runs but you should be able to get down it in your kayak If you got to get out of your kayak I'm sure it would be minimal.

Andy said...

Thanks for the info, Clay.

One more... What do you suppose would be a decent place to put in? East of ElDorado as you mentioned?

Clay said...

Sure or below the dam at the lake

Andy said...

Thanks a lot Clay. Speaking of clay, how's the river bed? Nice and rocky or soft? (I.e. Clay, sand, soil)

Kevin B. Koonce said...

I would like to send you some pictures of litter I took this morning at Cheney State Park. I need an e-mail address rather than this form, though.

Anonymous said...

Im wondering what the low water level at Cheney is doing to the health of the fish. Hope we get some moisture over the winter or our spring fishing is going to be awfuly tought.

Clay said...

Wow this blog is pretty quiet considering what the upcoming changes to fishing regs are going into effect on the 1st of Jan...All fish must be dead before you leave a lake that is designated an aquatic nuisance body of water.That means all your crappie walleye catfish or whatever you decide to keep must be dead before you head home. Also they did pass the law that you are not allowed to catch your perch or bullheads from your favorite little cow pond or stream and use them wherever you decide to fish. I think they are calling us fisherman stupid for not knowing what kinds of fish we are catching.

Anonymous said...

What would you do if you catch a potential state record bass or catfish? Or even a 5 pound crappie? Are you gonna club the fish to death first or let the fish lie dying. The fish will start losing weight soon after being caught jeopardizing a potential new record. Here where I'm at there are some non-english speaking people who can put the hurt on catfish legally from the Kansas river. How does a KS game warden explain to them why the fish have to be dead before leaving the water? He/she probably won't after a few sessions of trying to communicate but the ticket book will be adequate soon afetrwards, thus passing the burden to a judge somewheres wondering why himself "what's the deal here?" I hope the county lakes will be stocked generously for the years ahead to avoid future problems elsewhere- it'll help some. Thanks Clay, I typed this "off the cuff" obviously. I'm going to assume KDWPT gave the new proposed/added regs. some thought- why wouldn't they?

Anonymous said...

If we can't use sunfish and minnows from our ponds for bait why should crawdads being brought in to the state of Kansas still be allowed to be sold? I realize they are not a baitfish but still they {out of state crayfish} are not a native species to our waters. In addition, I don't like the looks of them either.

Anonymous said...

The algae problems throughout the state and an economy that keeps tanking could be reasons for less chit chat here at the blog. Here in region 2 these days I really have nothing to look forwards to fishing wise except the May/June catfish spawn in the Kaw river.

Anonymous said...

In all honesty, The KDWPT which really is under funded for the war on ANS has dropped the ball. In all reality, I'm sorry to say, a test like Hunters Education is/would be the only viable alternative now. I believe technically speaking the burden should have been placed on Federal agencies, leaving the state waters to KDWPT. This would have allowed W&P a much more controllable aspect on their part. Now, we need to have local baitfish farms and allow the sell of farm raised shad and other baitfish. The question is will we fund people who are willing to try this, or do we continue to send our money out of state. It seems obvious, but in reality, only time will tell.

Anonymous said...

That's a good post. I think I can agree with that.